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-Kirk: Hello, and welcome to
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-the Virtual Coffee podcast. I'm
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-And this is a podcast that
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-Virtual Coffee is an intimate
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-And they're here on this
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-And what they've learned, we're
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-Here with me today is my cohost,
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-Dan: Um, thanks. Definitely
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-Uh, today we have, uh, a special
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-episode of season three. And so
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-Kirk Shillingford one of our
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-and Bekah is actually here.
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-all the Bekahs are here. Um, so
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-stuff coming up where you are,
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-our Hacktoberfest preparations.
-And so we thought we would talk
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-a little bit about Hacktoberfest
-last year and what we have going
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-on this year, as well as just
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-We start every episode of the
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-Virtual Coffee - we introduce
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-we're from, what we do and a
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-Today's question is if you had
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-Bekah: Hey. I'm Bekah, I'm a
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-Dan: So like, that's going to be
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-Dan: Yeah. Fair enough. Um, hi,
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-here at Virtual Coffee. And, um,
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-starting a fire would be my one.
-Did we do this before?
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-of the episode, uh, or fake
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-Although sometimes you can call
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-I would teach you 100%. It would
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-teach you all about Sudoku,
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-puzzle, masters solve Sudoku is
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-A month long focus on open
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-There are some basic like files
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-about the way you want to
-interact with this code base.
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-And just like a lot of it's just
-like giving folks a heads up.
-
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-I work on this, on the weekends.
-So if you submit a request,
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-you know, expect a review by the
-weekend, or like,
-
-378
-00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:57,700
-Hey, sometimes I slip up. So if
-you notice it's been a
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-couple of weeks or a couple of
-days with no response, me
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-a message on the appropriate
-channel where you wish
-
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-to receive messages about your
-open source code base.
-
-382
-00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:07,660
-if there are a lot of things
-like that, but I don't feel
-
-383
-00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:13,150
-like we talk about a lot. We
-talked about making the
-
-384
-00:21:09,849 --> 00:21:14,880
-issue or making the PR, I think
-those subtleties.
-
-385
-00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:19,690
-As a maintainer find the way you
-want to be interacted
-
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-00:21:19,690 --> 00:21:22,869
-with and make that super clear
-for people, um,
-
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-00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:27,640
-that can be super helpful. then
-for your contributors,
-
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-then they don't have that burden
-of trying to decide if they're
-
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-00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,380
-bothering you or frustrating.
-And that goes back to
-
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-00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:33,309
-what Dan said about like what's
-a good issue.
-
-391
-00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,240
-You know, a good issue for a
-maintainer is something they
-
-392
-00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,289
-can see like make decisions on.
-I need to fix this?
-
-393
-00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:46,315
-Can I let this person fix it?
-Um, is this a big problem that
-
-394
-00:21:43,525 --> 00:21:48,325
-we need to pair up more on? Can
-we break this
-
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-00:21:46,585 --> 00:21:52,615
-into smaller chunks? so, you
-know, it's, it's
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-396
-00:21:49,285 --> 00:21:54,025
-about like building a healthy
-working relationship.
-
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-00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:56,994
-And a lot of that is people
-being open, honest with
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-00:21:56,994 --> 00:21:59,214
-like where they're at and what
-they can accomplish.
-
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-00:21:59,830 --> 00:22:03,530
-Bekah: I really love that idea
-of this is your team
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-400
-00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,641
-that you're working with. And so
-if you're thinking
-
-401
-00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,611
-of, okay, now you have all of
-these brand new
-
-402
-00:22:07,671 --> 00:22:12,141
-teammates who are going to be
-working on your repository.
-
-403
-00:22:12,530 --> 00:22:15,080
-How do you onboard them all at
-once? Right.
-
-404
-00:22:15,631 --> 00:22:17,941
-It, it starts there, you know,
-what the clear
-
-405
-00:22:17,941 --> 00:22:20,550
-paths of communication and do
-you lay that out?
-
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-00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:23,730
-How do you demonstrate that you
-are a friendly
-
-407
-00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:27,090
-repository for people to come
-and work on things?
-
-408
-00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:32,221
-I talked to, um, a maintainer of
-a really large
-
-409
-00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:40,320
-a couple of months ago. one of
-the challenges that he
-
-410
-00:22:35,161 --> 00:22:46,086
-said was, so hard to find people
-to continue being maintainers
-
-411
-00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:47,615
-for the project because Was
-self-described as older.
-
-412
-00:22:47,645 --> 00:22:50,375
-And he said the other
-maintainers are older and
-
-413
-00:22:50,375 --> 00:22:54,576
-they could really use, new
-people to take it over.
-
-414
-00:22:55,536 --> 00:22:59,796
-it's a catch 22 almost because
-so many of the maintainers
-
-415
-00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:03,695
-don't want to spend the time to
-work with new contributors.
-
-416
-00:23:04,236 --> 00:23:07,625
-ultimately those would be the
-perfect candidates once they
-
-417
-00:23:07,625 --> 00:23:09,935
-understood the repository and
-how to work through
-
-418
-00:23:09,935 --> 00:23:13,885
-things, it over for a while. Um,
-and I think.
-
-419
-00:23:14,506 --> 00:23:17,296
-You know, going back to what
-we're doing and making
-
-420
-00:23:17,296 --> 00:23:21,256
-sure that we, um, work with all
-of our members at all
-
-421
-00:23:21,256 --> 00:23:27,405
-different levels and stages.
-Like that's the investment that
-
-422
-00:23:22,996 --> 00:23:29,625
-we put into, these repositories.
-We, we make sure that
-
-423
-00:23:27,405 --> 00:23:32,476
-people have mentors. We make
-sure that there are
-
-424
-00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:36,346
-repositories that are friendly
-to them and that these
-
-425
-00:23:32,476 --> 00:23:40,965
-it's about developing the
-relationships that go and create
-
-426
-00:23:36,346 --> 00:23:42,165
-community around your project.
-So you can sustain and grow.
-
-427
-00:23:42,875 --> 00:23:46,317
-Dan: Yeah, I love that. And
-like, that's, that's
-
-428
-00:23:44,194 --> 00:23:47,607
-one of the support things that
-we w we try to do too.
-
-429
-00:23:47,657 --> 00:23:49,798
-And this stuff that we're
-talking about is time consuming
-
-430
-00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:54,508
-from a maintainers perspective,
-you know, and there are a lot
-
-431
-00:23:54,508 --> 00:23:56,907
-of projects out there where, um,
-I feel like there are
-
-432
-00:23:56,907 --> 00:23:59,067
-people that would be open to
-country contributions, you
-
-433
-00:23:59,067 --> 00:24:02,907
-know, maybe haven't spelled out
-every single thing that
-
-434
-00:24:02,907 --> 00:24:06,268
-they could or whatever. And one
-of the things that
-
-435
-00:24:03,748 --> 00:24:07,377
-we can do at like, that we do do
-as a community is.
-
-436
-00:24:08,288 --> 00:24:10,807
-Is maybe provide support for our
-contributors to
-
-437
-00:24:10,837 --> 00:24:14,647
-navigate, you know, different,
-different areas of repositories
-
-438
-00:24:14,647 --> 00:24:18,667
-and, and what's to you. Cause
-none of them are
-
-439
-00:24:15,367 --> 00:24:21,817
-ever going to be perfect. Right?
-Uh, no, no project is going
-
-440
-00:24:19,057 --> 00:24:26,978
-to have everything laid out. Um,
-some will get close, you
-
-441
-00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:28,928
-know, but, um, anyway, uh, that
-that's like one of the other
-
-442
-00:24:26,978 --> 00:24:30,458
-things that we do once, like
-once Hacktoberfest starts is.
-
-443
-00:24:31,903 --> 00:24:34,782
-Is provide support and
-mentorship in some time, you
-
-444
-00:24:34,782 --> 00:24:37,722
-know, in some places for people,
-uh, format for our members to
-
-445
-00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,782
-kind of work through some of the
-social, you know, some of
-
-446
-00:24:40,782 --> 00:24:44,712
-the like social anxiety that
-can, that can, that can happen.
-
-447
-00:24:44,742 --> 00:24:47,833
-Um, when, you know, when
-contributing to open source.
-
-448
-00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:52,454
-Kirk: Yeah. I think you touched
-on something
-
-449
-00:24:48,845 --> 00:24:59,865
-very important that are just
-like how scary it is to offer,
-
-450
-00:24:52,454 --> 00:25:02,835
-to help someone on project that
-like, you feel like, oh, I
-
-451
-00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:04,365
-don't particularly understand.
-And it's all this code.
-
-452
-00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:08,565
-And especially if you're an
-early career developer, like,
-
-453
-00:25:08,595 --> 00:25:11,625
-oh, I'm just, I just got here.
-I'm going to mess something up.
-
-454
-00:25:12,105 --> 00:25:16,184
-There's so many. It's something
-that we
-
-455
-00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:20,884
-don't really do in other
-circumstances, there's a lot
-
-456
-00:25:16,184 --> 00:25:24,815
-of anxiety around it and sort of
-anything you can do too,
-
-457
-00:25:20,884 --> 00:25:30,154
-as a maintainer to make people
-feel more welcome is, is like
-
-458
-00:25:24,815 --> 00:25:33,125
-worth it, know, and getting back
-to September, like you said,
-
-459
-00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:35,855
-like this, this year, we want it
-to not just be Preptember
-
-460
-00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:39,275
-for maintainers, but also
-Preptember for contributors,
-
-461
-00:25:35,855 --> 00:25:42,065
-you know, we're, we're going to
-be doing, you know, a couple of
-
-462
-00:25:39,275 --> 00:25:46,964
-talks in a couple of seconds.
-You know, to show people what
-
-463
-00:25:42,914 --> 00:25:51,555
-contribution looks like, but
-also to let them see like not
-
-464
-00:25:46,964 --> 00:25:55,035
-scary it is and how approachable
-it can be, you know, just
-
-465
-00:25:51,615 --> 00:25:58,275
-to we can do to kind of like get
-through those layers of
-
-466
-00:25:55,755 --> 00:26:00,525
-anxiety and get to that place
-where it's like, no, they,
-
-467
-00:25:58,275 --> 00:26:01,515
-they want me to be here. They
-want me to help.
-
-468
-00:26:01,815 --> 00:26:06,194
-They're okay with me learning.
-They're willing to sort of,
-
-469
-00:26:03,194 --> 00:26:10,065
-you know, guide them along. Um,
-and that's when I think you
-
-470
-00:26:06,825 --> 00:26:11,625
-get to see people really, really
-shine and like really enjoy.
-
-471
-00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:15,720
-Uh, making contributions to
-group projects.
-
-472
-00:26:16,276 --> 00:26:18,675
-Dan: So you mentioned some
-stuff, some, some events I
-
-473
-00:26:18,675 --> 00:26:20,355
-just wanted to kind of run
-through a couple of the ones
-
-474
-00:26:20,355 --> 00:26:23,465
-that we have for September. Um,
-if that's all
-
-475
-00:26:21,665 --> 00:26:27,846
-right, real quick. September
-3rd, which is
-
-476
-00:26:24,425 --> 00:26:32,375
-this Friday, we, I will be doing
-an event, a lunch
-
-477
-00:26:27,846 --> 00:26:33,395
-and learn event at noon Um, and,
-and it's just an open.
-
-478
-00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:35,855
-So what's called the open source
-project walkthrough.
-
-479
-00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:40,056
-And this just sort of a tour,
-uh, not really a deep
-
-480
-00:26:40,506 --> 00:26:43,736
-dive into any con you know,
-contributing, uh, any, any,
-
-481
-00:26:43,865 --> 00:26:45,816
-anything as far as like pull
-requests or anything like that.
-
-482
-00:26:45,816 --> 00:26:49,296
-But, just a tour of what a, what
-a repository looks like.
-
-483
-00:26:49,296 --> 00:26:51,006
-What are all the different
-pieces that happen?
-
-484
-00:26:51,066 --> 00:26:54,726
-Um, looks like from the
-maintainers perspective,
-
-485
-00:26:54,786 --> 00:27:00,336
-um, on a project and, uh, We'll
-just kind of it around.
-
-486
-00:27:00,556 --> 00:27:03,665
-It's not going to be a, it's not
-going to be super
-
-487
-00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:07,036
-in depth, um, but it'll be kind
-of fun and we'll, know,
-
-488
-00:27:07,036 --> 00:27:08,796
-we'll hang out and ask some
-questions and stuff like that.
-
-489
-00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:12,455
-Um, and so that's me, that's
-Friday, September
-
-490
-00:27:12,455 --> 00:27:17,046
-17th is a lunch and learn, um,
-how to create an open
-
-491
-00:27:17,046 --> 00:27:22,415
-source or a repository. And so
-this is Kirk, um, at
-
-492
-00:27:18,756 --> 00:27:26,375
-September 17th at noon Eastern.
-And this is sort of geared
-
-493
-00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:28,461
-towards maintainers or. People
-who'd like
-
-494
-00:27:27,141 --> 00:27:30,500
-to be maintainers. kind of, and
-this is kind
-
-495
-00:27:29,030 --> 00:27:31,250
-of what we touched about and
-touched on a couple of times.
-
-496
-00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,111
-What kinds of things should we
-look at when we're, when
-
-497
-00:27:33,111 --> 00:27:35,300
-we're, we're talking, thinking
-about creating an open
-
-498
-00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,361
-source project, um, because it's
-not just the code.
-
-499
-00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,790
-Like we've talked about a bunch
-of times, right?
-
-500
-00:27:40,790 --> 00:27:44,361
-It's not just the code. Uh,
-there's a lot of things
-
-501
-00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:47,750
-we can do to help, to help, uh,
-contributors actually
-
-502
-00:27:44,451 --> 00:27:50,631
-contribute to your project. So
-that is 17th.
-
-503
-00:27:50,721 --> 00:27:57,421
-And then am what we got the 24.
-Um, which is the last Friday
-
-504
-00:27:54,601 --> 00:28:00,931
-I feel like probably in
-September is, uh, this is
-
-505
-00:27:57,421 --> 00:28:04,530
-our intro to Hacktoberfest and,
-um, and open-source
-
-506
-00:28:00,931 --> 00:28:06,990
-contributions, hosted by Bekah
-but I'm pretty sure
-
-507
-00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:09,661
-we'll, we'll, I'll be there. Um,
-and this is a general
-
-508
-00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:13,155
-Hacktoberfest, you know, Jumping
-into everything event.
-
-509
-00:28:13,215 --> 00:28:16,336
-Um, I guess I should have
-probably asked if Kirk, if you
-
-510
-00:28:16,336 --> 00:28:20,806
-had anything to say about her,
-your event, uh, uh, just
-
-511
-00:28:18,375 --> 00:28:23,586
-realized I was about to do
-either of you would
-
-512
-00:28:20,806 --> 00:28:24,496
-like to, you know, expand more
-on what I said.
-
-513
-00:28:24,615 --> 00:28:27,855
-Um, but those, the events coming
-up, uh, this month,
-
-514
-00:28:28,455 --> 00:28:29,115
-I'm excited about it.
-
-515
-00:28:30,471 --> 00:28:33,891
-Kirk: Um, I think he covered the
-basis.
-
-516
-00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:36,290
-It's it's going to be much what
-it says.
-
-517
-00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:40,941
-We're going to start from
-scratch with a, Hey, I have
-
-518
-00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:45,270
-something locally and I want to
-get it up on GitHub.
-
-519
-00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:48,351
-I want it to be open source and
-I want to do
-
-520
-00:28:48,351 --> 00:28:50,931
-the necessary things that people
-know that they can
-
-521
-00:28:49,401 --> 00:28:54,185
-come here and work here. We will
-cover the required docs.
-
-522
-00:28:54,246 --> 00:28:57,695
-We'll, we'll get some helpful,
-get up features for making that
-
-523
-00:28:57,695 --> 00:29:00,276
-process easier because they have
-invested a lot of resources
-
-524
-00:29:00,756 --> 00:29:05,645
-into that type of thing. Uh,
-we'll cover a few things
-
-525
-00:29:02,736 --> 00:29:08,736
-that GitHub doesn't really tell
-you about the, you sort
-
-526
-00:29:05,645 --> 00:29:13,145
-of learn from our work with PC
-and just all the other cool
-
-527
-00:29:08,736 --> 00:29:17,586
-projects in the community. So, I
-mean, totally recommended
-
-528
-00:29:13,625 --> 00:29:18,665
-for anyone who wants to start an
-open source.
-
-529
-00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:21,621
-Anyone who already has one and
-they just want to get like a
-
-530
-00:29:21,621 --> 00:29:24,951
-refresher on what are the cool
-things happening nowadays to
-
-531
-00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,221
-make it engaging, even if you're
-a contributor where you just
-
-532
-00:29:28,221 --> 00:29:30,320
-want to see like, Hey, like what
-actually goes into this?
-
-533
-00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,351
-I might want to do this next
-year or a couple
-
-534
-00:29:32,371 --> 00:29:37,280
-months down the line. Um, I
-think all, all three
-
-535
-00:29:33,681 --> 00:29:39,951
-of our events will be super
-useful for anyone at any
-
-536
-00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:40,256
-Bekah: Yeah.
-
-537
-00:29:40,401 --> 00:29:42,351
-Kirk: part of the OSS. Uh,
-
-538
-00:29:44,451 --> 00:29:47,391
-Bekah: Yeah, and I always
-appreciate everybody coming.
-
-539
-00:29:47,391 --> 00:29:50,540
-If somebody is very experienced
-and has done it before and
-
-540
-00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:53,931
-has things to offer and can
-answer questions too, you know,
-
-541
-00:29:53,931 --> 00:29:56,901
-it's great to have a variety of
-voices from the community
-
-542
-00:29:56,901 --> 00:30:00,050
-who can talk about the things
-and, you know, we'll start
-
-543
-00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:03,800
-with, you know, what is hacked
-Tober Fest, um, because you
-
-544
-00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,016
-know, Plenty of people who've
-been in tech for a long time
-
-545
-00:30:07,046 --> 00:30:10,165
-and they're not familiar with
-Oktoberfest and it's okay.
-
-546
-00:30:10,165 --> 00:30:12,415
-It just depends on, you know,
-the, the circles
-
-547
-00:30:12,415 --> 00:30:15,986
-that you hang around. Right. Um,
-to have exposure to that.
-
-548
-00:30:16,316 --> 00:30:19,135
-Uh, I think I, I was just in the
-like, free t-shirt.
-
-549
-00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:23,000
-Groups everywhere. And I was
-like, you go.
-
-550
-00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:29,391
-so we'll get you set up, learn
-how to, sign up for that.
-
-551
-00:30:29,391 --> 00:30:33,230
-Learn about how to find
-repositories that that eligible
-
-552
-00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:38,691
-for Hacktoberfest and talk
-through what it's like to work
-
-553
-00:30:38,691 --> 00:30:43,971
-your way through an issue about,
-um, Creating a pull request
-
-554
-00:30:43,971 --> 00:30:47,421
-and, and some tips for doing
-that or asking questions along
-
-555
-00:30:47,421 --> 00:30:50,990
-the way, but we'll definitely
-prioritize answering anyone's
-
-556
-00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:56,260
-questions at that point. Um,
-just to make sure that
-
-557
-00:30:52,611 --> 00:30:58,721
-everybody feels comfortable and
-everyone feels comfortable
-
-558
-00:30:56,260 --> 00:31:00,461
-asking whatever questions they
-feel like asking. Right.
-
-559
-00:31:00,461 --> 00:31:04,391
-It's okay to ask all of the
-questions because
-
-560
-00:31:04,391 --> 00:31:06,221
-that's what we're here for.
-We're here to answer them.
-
-561
-00:31:08,526 --> 00:31:10,086
-Dan: Plus, I think we all like
-talking about it.
-
-562
-00:31:10,685 --> 00:31:13,415
-I always want people to ask
-questions because it's just fun.
-
-563
-00:31:13,476 --> 00:31:15,695
-It's just fun to talk about all
-this stuff for me, you know?
-
-564
-00:31:15,695 --> 00:31:21,076
-And, um, it's a. I like it can
-be anxiety inducing.
-
-565
-00:31:21,076 --> 00:31:23,655
-It was, it was for me, uh,
-certainly like getting, getting
-
-566
-00:31:23,655 --> 00:31:27,826
-started and, um, the, you know,
-getting started with open
-
-567
-00:31:27,826 --> 00:31:30,746
-source, especially, especially
-contributing to like, to
-
-568
-00:31:30,846 --> 00:31:33,405
-projects of people who you don't
-know the people, right.
-
-569
-00:31:33,405 --> 00:31:34,935
-You don't know the maintainers
-and everything.
-
-570
-00:31:34,996 --> 00:31:39,046
-Um, it doesn't have to be at, I
-think the, me, I think
-
-571
-00:31:39,046 --> 00:31:42,846
-the way that you get over it.
-The best way to get over
-
-572
-00:31:40,625 --> 00:31:46,175
-that anxiety is to, is to just
-kind of get started, you
-
-573
-00:31:42,846 --> 00:31:47,496
-know, um, uh, ask questions, you
-know, all of that stuff.
-
-574
-00:31:47,526 --> 00:31:49,445
-And then, and then, and then we
-can kind of dive in.
-
-575
-00:31:49,445 --> 00:31:51,905
-And so that's why that's, that's
-gonna be our process
-
-576
-00:31:51,905 --> 00:31:55,056
-again this year, you know? Um,
-well this event
-
-577
-00:31:52,895 --> 00:31:58,865
-should be fun. Uh, like on the
-24th, that Beck
-
-578
-00:31:55,145 --> 00:32:02,885
-is running and kind of hang out
-and then, um, Going into October
-
-579
-00:31:58,895 --> 00:32:05,165
-for Virtual Coffee, you know,
-we'll, we'll, we'll have some,
-
-580
-00:32:02,885 --> 00:32:08,165
-we'll have some more specific
-events, uh, set up and some more
-
-581
-00:32:05,165 --> 00:32:09,905
-things kind of, kind of go in
-that we'll a little bit later.
-
-582
-00:32:09,935 --> 00:32:12,695
-Um, in September, I guess,
-
-583
-00:32:13,171 --> 00:32:13,290
-Bekah: Yeah.
-
-584
-00:32:13,296 --> 00:32:14,375
-Dan: once we figured out what
-they all are.
-
-585
-00:32:15,211 --> 00:32:17,310
-Bekah: I think one of the cool
-things too, about how
-
-586
-00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,520
-much we've grown in the last
-year is that we have a lot
-
-587
-00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,780
-more maintainers with us year
-than we did last year.
-
-588
-00:32:25,351 --> 00:32:28,411
-who have their own projects or
-who have jobs at open
-
-589
-00:32:28,411 --> 00:32:31,320
-source, I'm working on open
-source projects.
-
-590
-00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,290
-And so it's been great to kind
-of see that evolution of like,
-
-591
-00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,681
-oh, look, they participated last
-year and got their first PRS.
-
-592
-00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:43,040
-And now they're like on, on
-this. Open source project
-
-593
-00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:44,631
-in their company. And, you know,
-they're, they
-
-594
-00:32:44,631 --> 00:32:47,810
-bring with them that amazing
-experience of like knowing
-
-595
-00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:51,800
-what that feels like and being
-able to help new people.
-
-596
-00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,951
-And there's a lot of, um, great
-projects and
-
-597
-00:32:54,951 --> 00:32:57,171
-also really meaningful projects
-out there too.
-
-598
-00:32:57,171 --> 00:33:01,191
-So going to be really exciting
-to see much the
-
-599
-00:33:01,191 --> 00:33:02,901
-variety has grown as well.
-
-600
-00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,211
-Dan: Yeah, absolutely. That's a
-great point. Um, and.
-
-601
-00:33:08,826 --> 00:33:11,526
-Well, I guess adding onto that,
-one of that, another thing that
-
-602
-00:33:11,526 --> 00:33:15,635
-we have new this year for us is,
-uh, some, some team, a team
-
-603
-00:33:15,635 --> 00:33:18,455
-of people that are helping out,
-um, actually run the events
-
-604
-00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:20,976
-and, you know, run, run these
-challenges and stuff like
-
-605
-00:33:20,976 --> 00:33:24,516
-that to our monthly challenge
-team, um, especially it has
-
-606
-00:33:24,516 --> 00:33:29,046
-been, has been kicking butt. Uh,
-I've been helping to get
-
-607
-00:33:26,256 --> 00:33:32,256
-this rolling in September and,
-um, So I just want to shout
-
-608
-00:33:29,526 --> 00:33:33,965
-out to, to everybody there too.
-Um, because that's
-
-609
-00:33:32,736 --> 00:33:37,955
-been really cool. It's been cool
-to have like a
-
-610
-00:33:34,056 --> 00:33:41,135
-sort of a larger, um, I dunno,
-group of people to generate
-
-611
-00:33:37,955 --> 00:33:43,326
-ideas, bounce ideas off of, and,
-and you know, everything.
-
-612
-00:33:43,326 --> 00:33:45,336
-So that's, that's really fun.
-I'm excited about that.
-
-613
-00:33:45,925 --> 00:33:47,246
-Bekah: year at this time, we
-didn't, we hadn't
-
-614
-00:33:47,246 --> 00:33:49,286
-started monthly challenges that
-started in November.
-
-615
-00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,431
-Um, with our blog challenge. So
-it's really cool too, to
-
-616
-00:33:52,371 --> 00:34:02,540
-see like where we've almost made
-that full circle of a
-
-617
-00:33:55,431 --> 00:34:08,201
-year of monthly challenges and
-then next month, we're just
-
-618
-00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:09,431
-going to know, the last couple
-of months of having other
-
-619
-00:34:09,431 --> 00:34:12,940
-people step up the game with
-monthly challenge and, and
-
-620
-00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:16,210
-have things thought through has
-been, you know, a really great
-
-621
-00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:21,911
-way to show how much support we
-have from the community that
-
-622
-00:34:21,911 --> 00:34:25,181
-allows us to do extra things and
-things that are meaningful.
-
-623
-00:34:25,181 --> 00:34:28,210
-And, you know, I, I got a
-message from one of the members.
-
-624
-00:34:29,181 --> 00:34:34,161
-Wait today is still August. So
-we did healthy
-
-625
-00:34:30,951 --> 00:34:37,130
-habits for healthy devs. And I
-checked in with
-
-626
-00:34:34,581 --> 00:34:38,030
-one of the members to see how
-they were doing.
-
-627
-00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:40,731
-And they said, well, this
-monthly challenge is getting me
-
-628
-00:34:40,731 --> 00:34:44,090
-through this month because it's
-requiring like, deliberately
-
-629
-00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:49,041
-thinking about my health and how
-I can turn off work and how
-
-630
-00:34:49,041 --> 00:34:56,391
-I can create healthy habits. And
-I just thought, you know,
-
-631
-00:34:51,291 --> 00:35:01,655
-what a wonderful example of how.
-The work that our members
-
-632
-00:34:57,126 --> 00:35:06,485
-provide to support us, goes to
-support everybody and
-
-633
-00:35:02,376 --> 00:35:07,655
-those meaningful moments make it
-all worth it.
-
-634
-00:35:10,496 --> 00:35:17,126
-Kirk: Yeah. I think part of what
-makes
-
-635
-00:35:10,916 --> 00:35:18,775
-this whole experience so good.
-It is.
-
-636
-00:35:19,166 --> 00:35:24,085
-mean, it's obviously a great
-thing to work with to like
-
-637
-00:35:24,115 --> 00:35:28,865
-provide an experience for them.
-But it's also been a really
-
-638
-00:35:26,255 --> 00:35:32,465
-cool to see people who have not
-had the experience to
-
-639
-00:35:28,865 --> 00:35:34,925
-maybe like provide the support
-in many ways in this space,
-
-640
-00:35:32,556 --> 00:35:37,655
-get a chance to do that. You
-know, there's, there's so
-
-641
-00:35:35,405 --> 00:35:41,766
-many folks now in the different
-teams we have, sometimes I,
-
-642
-00:35:37,655 --> 00:35:44,615
-hard for me to keep track of all
-the different issues we
-
-643
-00:35:41,766 --> 00:35:46,596
-have because we have all these
-different channels where people
-
-644
-00:35:44,615 --> 00:35:49,085
-are doing amazing things.
-everyone's saying like, oh,
-
-645
-00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,016
-this is the person that would
-have done something like this.
-
-646
-00:35:50,016 --> 00:35:52,465
-And they're doing such amazing
-jobs. And.
-
-647
-00:35:53,255 --> 00:35:56,226
-You know, I feel like a big, a
-big part of what I like
-
-648
-00:35:56,226 --> 00:35:58,865
-about Virtual Coffee is that
-like, this is like, this is
-
-649
-00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:02,945
-no one's job, but also in the
-sense that for a lot of
-
-650
-00:36:02,945 --> 00:36:07,626
-us, it's the first time we were
-trying to do something
-
-651
-00:36:07,806 --> 00:36:11,045
-and all we really had was the
-belief that we could do it.
-
-652
-00:36:11,405 --> 00:36:15,186
-And like the belief that we can
-get support if we needed to.
-
-653
-00:36:15,936 --> 00:36:20,405
-And that to me has been, you
-know, super empowering.
-
-654
-00:36:22,141 --> 00:36:26,431
-Having a space where you can to
-help other people and try
-
-655
-00:36:26,431 --> 00:36:29,521
-and work with other people and
-try and initiative where
-
-656
-00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:34,411
-you can feel comfortable with
-making mistakes and having to
-
-657
-00:36:34,411 --> 00:36:38,331
-do things over and not having to
-be perfect on zoom or, you know,
-
-658
-00:36:38,371 --> 00:36:42,990
-just that's, that's hard to find
-sometimes in real life land,
-
-659
-00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:45,990
-like you feel like the work you
-have to do everything perfectly.
-
-660
-00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,320
-sometimes even just like
-interpersonal relationships.
-
-661
-00:36:51,146 --> 00:36:57,615
-That feels really healthy. And
-that feels almost like as
-
-662
-00:36:52,706 --> 00:37:01,036
-important as like who were on
-the receiving it, being able
-
-663
-00:36:57,615 --> 00:37:02,675
-to help people on the giving end
-has been really good.
-
-664
-00:37:02,896 --> 00:37:06,525
-And I mean, the big discovery,
-which I guess isn't really
-
-665
-00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:09,726
-surprising in retrospect because
-it like why people want to give
-
-666
-00:37:09,726 --> 00:37:12,465
-back, they want to help, you
-know, our communities here.
-
-667
-00:37:12,465 --> 00:37:14,505
-Cause it's just like, oh, this
-is just a nice space
-
-668
-00:37:14,505 --> 00:37:17,266
-where I get to help folks out.
-And, um,
-
-669
-00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:24,869
-Dan: Yeah. I mean, I love that I
-was going
-
-670
-00:37:19,409 --> 00:37:27,389
-to segue into some other stuff,
-but do we have any final,
-
-671
-00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:30,835
-like Hacktoberfest thoughts? Um,
-other than. We're excited.
-
-672
-00:37:31,489 --> 00:37:33,320
-Bekah: Well, I just want to say
-too, just looking
-
-673
-00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,530
-back at how much I've grown
-personally in the last year,
-
-674
-00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:41,889
-learning from everybody. Um, Uh,
-you know, as we're
-
-675
-00:37:38,269 --> 00:37:45,639
-approaching this and we're doing
-this event and all
-
-676
-00:37:41,889 --> 00:37:48,699
-of these things, think last year
-I things more in black
-
-677
-00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,320
-and white, like there was
-success or there was failure.
-
-678
-00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,619
-And I think this year for me,
-it's, it's not ever about that.
-
-679
-00:37:53,619 --> 00:37:55,780
-It's about the growth. Am I
-growing?
-
-680
-00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:58,269
-You know, what am I doing to
-push myself forward and
-
-681
-00:37:58,269 --> 00:37:59,774
-to support the other people?
-think that's just a Testament
-
-682
-00:37:59,774 --> 00:38:01,279
-to.
-
-683
-00:38:01,735 --> 00:38:05,695
-The community that's here is
-supporting everyone
-
-684
-00:38:05,695 --> 00:38:08,244
-because it isn't, it it's not
-success or failure.
-
-685
-00:38:08,244 --> 00:38:12,505
-We're all moving forward. We're
-all growing and we're
-
-686
-00:38:09,534 --> 00:38:13,614
-growing together, um, and
-growing in different ways.
-
-687
-00:38:13,614 --> 00:38:20,394
-And so I think that, I'm, I'm
-very that we up August with
-
-688
-00:38:20,425 --> 00:38:24,355
-healthy habits for healthy devs,
-because it gives a much better
-
-689
-00:38:24,355 --> 00:38:29,844
-perspective going into some
-really, you know, event heavy.
-
-690
-00:38:30,918 --> 00:38:38,047
-Dan: I think that's a good
-point. I think you might be sub
-
-691
-00:38:33,257 --> 00:38:43,527
-tweeting me right now, but I
-make my own choices. Yeah.
-
-692
-00:38:43,527 --> 00:38:47,467
-I I'll echo that. I mean, it's,
-uh, this
-
-693
-00:38:44,498 --> 00:38:52,117
-community is so great. And the,
-the we've sort of
-
-694
-00:38:47,467 --> 00:38:55,717
-naturally, uh, focused on, on
-mental health, I think, um,
-
-695
-00:38:52,148 --> 00:38:57,907
-from the beginning, you know,
-without, without any, without
-
-696
-00:38:55,717 --> 00:39:00,628
-any sort of decision, right. It
-was a natural thing
-
-697
-00:38:57,907 --> 00:39:01,967
-because, um, the people here.
-Care.
-
-698
-00:39:02,057 --> 00:39:06,858
-Um, you know, and we see over
-and over again, uh, everybody
-
-699
-00:39:06,858 --> 00:39:09,827
-knows and has experienced I'm
-sure, uh, you know,
-
-700
-00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:12,858
-burnout and, uh, overworking and
-all of that stuff.
-
-701
-00:39:12,887 --> 00:39:18,047
-Um, uh, the fact that our
-community is a community of
-
-702
-00:39:18,047 --> 00:39:20,148
-people who like, who care so
-much about each other, that,
-
-703
-00:39:20,177 --> 00:39:23,148
-you know, giving support for
-that, uh, with mental
-
-704
-00:39:23,148 --> 00:39:25,128
-health just kind of comes
-naturally for everybody.
-
-705
-00:39:25,128 --> 00:39:29,748
-And it, And especially, I, I w I
-want to especially shout
-
-706
-00:39:29,748 --> 00:39:31,637
-out to Kirk here, because this
-is one of the things that,
-
-707
-00:39:31,637 --> 00:39:34,728
-you know, that he injected into
-all of our thought
-
-708
-00:39:34,728 --> 00:39:40,097
-processes at the beginning. Um,
-this is while we were
-
-709
-00:39:35,927 --> 00:39:42,588
-maybe not practicing it, um,
-this, you know, in this time
-
-710
-00:39:40,188 --> 00:39:45,588
-of year, maybe September last
-year, we were pulling
-
-711
-00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:48,608
-together a documentation and
-resources and the website
-
-712
-00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:53,273
-for active professed and. And
-Kirk's, I just love,
-
-713
-00:39:50,483 --> 00:39:54,222
-I just loved Kirk's thoughts on
-all of it.
-
-714
-00:39:54,222 --> 00:39:56,813
-And, and the, the focus on the
-mental health and the
-
-715
-00:39:56,813 --> 00:39:59,182
-taking a break and the, you
-know, all that stuff, it's,
-
-716
-00:39:59,213 --> 00:40:01,492
-it can be easy to get, even with
-volunteer stuff, it can
-
-717
-00:40:01,492 --> 00:40:05,612
-be easy to get caught up. Um,
-and, uh, and everything,
-
-718
-00:40:02,512 --> 00:40:07,463
-you know, and like Bekah said,
-the black and whiteness
-
-719
-00:40:05,632 --> 00:40:10,697
-of everything, you know, anyway,
-the mental health
-
-720
-00:40:08,088 --> 00:40:12,197
-focus of our, of our, um,
-community is amazing.
-
-721
-00:40:12,197 --> 00:40:14,838
-And I, never really put it
-together like that, but I think
-
-722
-00:40:14,838 --> 00:40:17,657
-that's a great point that August
-was sort of a breather month
-
-723
-00:40:17,657 --> 00:40:19,547
-that, you know, in a, in a
-mental health check-in month.
-
-724
-00:40:19,637 --> 00:40:23,597
-Um, and I don't know, it's a
-good, it's a great thing to
-
-725
-00:40:23,597 --> 00:40:26,478
-keep in mind, moving forward,
-moving forward for of us.
-
-726
-00:40:27,858 --> 00:40:31,157
-Even if I'm not always going to
-be good at doing what's that
-
-727
-00:40:32,023 --> 00:40:37,152
-Kirk: Why Dan and Bekah not good
-at taking breaks? No.
-
-728
-00:40:37,603 --> 00:40:38,862
-Who would think that.
-
-729
-00:40:38,963 --> 00:40:39,773
-Bekah: into this?
-
-730
-00:40:40,123 --> 00:40:41,472
-Kirk: You, you would identify
-with this?
-
-731
-00:40:41,503 --> 00:40:46,782
-but don't think you're not here.
-This podcast could
-
-732
-00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:48,373
-be called like people with
-letting go issues,
-
-733
-00:40:49,188 --> 00:40:49,547
-Bekah: Yeah.
-
-734
-00:40:50,632 --> 00:40:53,932
-Kirk: but it's okay. That's what
-we have
-
-735
-00:40:52,043 --> 00:40:56,452
-The community for to remind us
-like it's it's okay.
-
-736
-00:40:56,597 --> 00:40:57,617
-Bekah: frozen soundtrack.
-
-737
-00:40:57,889 --> 00:40:58,880
-Kirk: Oh, I still haven't
-watched it.
-
-738
-00:40:59,034 --> 00:40:59,815
-Bekah: you said, let it go.
-
-739
-00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:04,530
-Kirk: I've never seen Frozen.
-Not one or two.
-
-740
-00:41:05,505 --> 00:41:09,784
-Heard good things. I'll wait for
-the live action.
-
-741
-00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:16,760
-Dan: Yeah. That's all right. Um,
-so.
-
-742
-00:41:17,824 --> 00:41:21,965
-I, um, I think I said at the top
-maybe, but this is the
-
-743
-00:41:21,965 --> 00:41:25,894
-last episode of season three of
-our podcast and we're kind
-
-744
-00:41:25,894 --> 00:41:33,755
-of wrapping up and things. So I
-wanted to, before we end
-
-745
-00:41:27,155 --> 00:41:35,764
-this episode, um, I dunno, shout
-out some, some different things
-
-746
-00:41:33,755 --> 00:41:37,594
-that have happened over either
-the last, you know, during
-
-747
-00:41:35,764 --> 00:41:39,875
-the last season or the last, um,
-year with Virtual Coffee.
-
-748
-00:41:40,385 --> 00:41:43,525
-Um, so I guess first the, uh,
-podcast  we
-
-749
-00:41:43,525 --> 00:41:48,684
-passed 4,000 downloads. Um, but
-you know, total for our
-
-750
-00:41:45,054 --> 00:41:51,235
-podcasts, uh, a little bit ago.
-And I just, I think
-
-751
-00:41:48,804 --> 00:41:53,005
-that's amazing. And I wanted to,
-say
-
-752
-00:41:51,235 --> 00:41:53,846
-thank you to everybody who's
-been listening.
-
-753
-00:41:53,936 --> 00:41:55,646
-Uh, and everybody who's joined.
-
-754
-00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:56,840
-Bekah: on and told their story.
-
-755
-00:41:57,425 --> 00:42:02,235
-Dan: Yes. Uh, included Kirk is,
-uh,
-
-756
-00:41:58,445 --> 00:42:03,646
-you know, repeat guest,  and,
-um, yeah, it's really great.
-
-757
-00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:05,706
-It's, it's crazy that there's so
-many people I've
-
-758
-00:42:05,715 --> 00:42:08,626
-listened to, to our podcast. I
-don't know.
-
-759
-00:42:08,806 --> 00:42:12,465
-Um, it's hard to really
-comprehend 4,000 people or
-
-760
-00:42:12,465 --> 00:42:14,865
-4,000, you know, listens I
-guess, or whatever.
-
-761
-00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:17,655
-But, um, I just, I dunno, I
-wanted to shout that
-
-762
-00:42:17,655 --> 00:42:18,885
-out and say, thank you.
-
-763
-00:42:19,766 --> 00:42:22,275
-Kirk: Am I the first person to
-repeat on the podcast.
-
-764
-00:42:22,768 --> 00:42:24,458
-Dan: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
-
-765
-00:42:24,697 --> 00:42:25,358
-Bekah: co-host
-
-766
-00:42:25,492 --> 00:42:25,913
-Kirk: the Martin
-
-767
-00:42:25,958 --> 00:42:26,887
-Bekah: or sometimes cohost.
-
-768
-00:42:28,043 --> 00:42:31,132
-Kirk: the secret co-host only,
-you only get access to me if
-
-769
-00:42:31,132 --> 00:42:36,213
-you listen to enough of it. So
-if you're listening.
-
-770
-00:42:37,487 --> 00:42:41,288
-Dan: Um, One thing Kirk said
-earlier about, um, just the
-
-771
-00:42:41,288 --> 00:42:44,498
-community kind of work together.
-Made me think of the
-
-772
-00:42:42,248 --> 00:42:47,108
-coworking room as well. Um, a
-co-working
-
-773
-00:42:44,557 --> 00:42:51,367
-room for anybody who is
-listening, who doesn't
-
-774
-00:42:48,068 --> 00:42:53,527
-know is a, uh, a room it's a
-slack channel in a room
-
-775
-00:42:51,367 --> 00:42:57,248
-in Virtual Coffee, psych that,
-um, it's basically,
-
-776
-00:42:53,527 --> 00:43:02,137
-and always on zoom meeting. And
-so people can join the
-
-777
-00:42:57,398 --> 00:43:02,978
-meeting and work together and
-hang out together.
-
-778
-00:43:02,978 --> 00:43:06,458
-Kirk, I think, like you visit
-often. Do you want to
-
-779
-00:43:07,057 --> 00:43:07,268
-come here?
-
-780
-00:43:07,762 --> 00:43:09,563
-Kirk: live in the court. Uh,
-
-781
-00:43:09,668 --> 00:43:10,117
-Dan: can you, can
-
-782
-00:43:10,168 --> 00:43:10,288
-Bekah: Yeah.
-
-783
-00:43:10,358 --> 00:43:11,018
-Dan: about it a little bit?
-
-784
-00:43:11,152 --> 00:43:13,193
-Kirk: well, I mean, first I
-think like the important thing
-
-785
-00:43:13,193 --> 00:43:16,702
-is to say, shout out to Dan for
-making the coworking room.
-
-786
-00:43:16,762 --> 00:43:18,202
-Um, it,
-
-787
-00:43:18,307 --> 00:43:20,018
-Dan: I don't know. We're
-shouting out other
-
-788
-00:43:18,547 --> 00:43:20,018
-people in this sector.
-
-789
-00:43:20,603 --> 00:43:23,663
-Kirk: I, yeah, but like from
-the, from the slack side,
-
-790
-00:43:23,663 --> 00:43:25,432
-it looks like very simple. You
-hit join again.
-
-791
-00:43:26,108 --> 00:43:29,228
-But I know like you're doing
-like several magics to get
-
-792
-00:43:29,228 --> 00:43:34,958
-that all working smoothly. So, I
-mean, you were sincerely
-
-793
-00:43:30,338 --> 00:43:38,617
-rewarded for your efforts. I
-think the folks that use the
-
-794
-00:43:34,958 --> 00:43:42,938
-room really, really value it.
-Um, for a lot of members, there
-
-795
-00:43:39,307 --> 00:43:44,737
-are a couple of our members.
-Sometimes it's difficult
-
-796
-00:43:42,938 --> 00:43:47,978
-for them to get to regular
-coffees, I've had warranty
-
-797
-00:43:44,737 --> 00:43:50,047
-folks say, but I know I can
-always jump in coworking
-
-798
-00:43:47,978 --> 00:43:52,327
-and there's usually someone
-there and sometimes that's my
-
-799
-00:43:50,047 --> 00:43:54,188
-Virtual Coffee for the week. Uh,
-so that's really good.
-
-800
-00:43:55,012 --> 00:44:00,472
-And, you know, it's, it's just
-become, it's just another
-
-801
-00:44:00,563 --> 00:44:03,472
-space, another platform for VC
-members to interact with each
-
-802
-00:44:03,472 --> 00:44:08,512
-other and provide support. Uh,
-sometimes people will
-
-803
-00:44:06,052 --> 00:44:10,643
-have questions and helping
-pairing, and they're like,
-
-804
-00:44:08,512 --> 00:44:12,773
-Hey, you know, if no one's in
-the co-working room, jump in.
-
-805
-00:44:12,773 --> 00:44:17,152
-Or, and then the coworking room
-becomes like a little and learn
-
-806
-00:44:17,152 --> 00:44:20,782
-session where, know, everyone's
-just like, trying to help the
-
-807
-00:44:20,782 --> 00:44:22,882
-person do the problem, but also
-watching people kind of
-
-808
-00:44:22,882 --> 00:44:26,887
-pair up and go through school.
-So it's, it's got a lot of
-
-809
-00:44:24,427 --> 00:44:31,297
-purposes, but it's, it's
-definitely I know the members
-
-810
-00:44:26,887 --> 00:44:36,077
-really appreciate really enjoy.
-Um, shout out also to Meg, who
-
-811
-00:44:31,898 --> 00:44:42,637
-I think also there's a lot of
-work in there and, um, Yeah,
-
-812
-00:44:36,728 --> 00:44:45,108
-it's, I think it quickly rose up
-the ranks to become like
-
-813
-00:44:42,637 --> 00:44:49,838
-one of the coolest parts of VC
-who had coworking helping
-
-814
-00:44:45,108 --> 00:44:49,838
-pairing just like a, this is.
-
-815
-00:44:51,253 --> 00:44:55,092
-Dan: Yeah, the and I feel  like
-they kind of are almost, uh,
-
-816
-00:44:55,782 --> 00:44:57,282
-you had to work together, right?
-Help and pairing.
-
-817
-00:44:57,742 --> 00:45:00,402
-have a help and pairing channel,
-you know, Just
-
-818
-00:45:00,402 --> 00:45:02,922
-very often, see somebody asks a
-question and somebody
-
-819
-00:45:02,922 --> 00:45:05,563
-answered, Hey, I have a minute.
-Let's jump into
-
-820
-00:45:03,882 --> 00:45:07,333
-the coworking room. Um, which is
-amazing.
-
-821
-00:45:07,873 --> 00:45:13,092
-I, uh, we were going to add our,
-like the, to our newsletter.
-
-822
-00:45:13,092 --> 00:45:16,422
-We're going to add the longest
-meeting of the month or longest,
-
-823
-00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,402
-and not meeting with the
-longest, uh, coworking session.
-
-824
-00:45:18,402 --> 00:45:21,313
-Right. So can last, you know,
-somebody starts a session.
-
-825
-00:45:21,313 --> 00:45:23,143
-The session lasts until the last
-person leaves. Right.
-
-826
-00:45:23,143 --> 00:45:24,913
-So it doesn't necessarily have
-to be that person
-
-827
-00:45:24,913 --> 00:45:27,103
-staying on the whole time.
-Right. And so.
-
-828
-00:45:27,898 --> 00:45:30,628
-Uh, subscribe to your newsletter
-if you want to see it the
-
-829
-00:45:30,688 --> 00:45:34,197
-longest and August, but I, that
-made me want to look it up what
-
-830
-00:45:34,197 --> 00:45:40,677
-the historical longest one. And
-so it was, um, 789
-
-831
-00:45:35,157 --> 00:45:41,967
-minutes, um, on, on the, at the,
-end of July, July 24th.
-
-832
-00:45:42,447 --> 00:45:46,728
-Um, so that, you know, I mean,
-that's, whatever
-
-833
-00:45:46,728 --> 00:45:47,628
-it is, I did this
-
-834
-00:45:47,777 --> 00:45:49,307
-Kirk: No, don't go for it to
-hours.
-
-835
-00:45:49,338 --> 00:45:52,338
-It doesn't sound as cool. Okay.
-So it sounds pretty cool.
-
-836
-00:45:52,422 --> 00:45:57,132
-Dan: hours and, uh, yeah. Yeah.
-That's, uh, it's, uh,
-
-837
-00:45:54,793 --> 00:46:00,163
-it, it's pretty cool. And it's
-just cool that
-
-838
-00:45:57,132 --> 00:46:01,753
-somebody, like some of our
-friends were just
-
-839
-00:46:00,163 --> 00:46:02,382
-hanging out for that long. You
-know what I mean?
-
-840
-00:46:02,532 --> 00:46:06,432
-Um, I love it. We, we have, I
-don't know,
-
-841
-00:46:03,643 --> 00:46:07,693
-almost 350 sessions have
-happened since we started it.
-
-842
-00:46:09,268 --> 00:46:11,097
-February, maybe they're at the
-beginning of the year.
-
-843
-00:46:11,128 --> 00:46:16,197
-Um, and, uh, it's been cool. So
-if you are a member and
-
-844
-00:46:13,498 --> 00:46:16,947
-haven't checked it out, go ahead
-and check it out.
-
-845
-00:46:17,038 --> 00:46:19,588
-And, uh, if you aren't a Virtual
-Coffee member,
-
-846
-00:46:19,588 --> 00:46:22,438
-this is just one of the many
-things you're missing.
-
-847
-00:46:25,077 --> 00:46:29,608
-Um, the, what else? We got
-podcast as
-
-848
-00:46:30,288 --> 00:46:33,657
-room sponsorships. Bekah, do you
-wanna tell
-
-849
-00:46:32,188 --> 00:46:33,657
-us about sponsorships?
-
-850
-00:46:33,938 --> 00:46:35,588
-Bekah: Sure. I'll tell you about
-sponsorships.
-
-851
-00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:40,027
-Um, so you can sponsor Virtual
-Coffee, help us keep the
-
-852
-00:46:40,027 --> 00:46:45,668
-coffee brewing, um, on GitHub.
-I'll have a link in the show
-
-853
-00:46:42,338 --> 00:46:50,128
-notes for that, but if you just
-go to GitHub.com/Virtual-Coffee.
-
-854
-00:46:50,487 --> 00:46:52,887
-There'll be a little heart
-sponsor button and there's
-
-855
-00:46:52,887 --> 00:46:57,268
-different tiers there for
-different ways that you can,
-
-856
-00:46:57,327 --> 00:47:02,697
-um, contribute, um, to Virtual
-Coffee, to make sure that we
-
-857
-00:47:02,697 --> 00:47:06,358
-can cover some of the costs that
-are, that, that are
-
-858
-00:47:06,358 --> 00:47:10,677
-incurred to run Virtual Coffee.
-And I think maybe we'll.
-
-859
-00:47:11,458 --> 00:47:14,697
-Put something up there. We'll be
-talking
-
-860
-00:47:12,898 --> 00:47:16,168
-more about having a
-Hacktoberfest sponsor too.
-
-861
-00:47:16,168 --> 00:47:19,228
-So if you're listening to this
-and you know, somebody who'd be
-
-862
-00:47:19,228 --> 00:47:26,458
-interested and sponsoring all of
-our fun, please just reach out
-
-863
-00:47:26,458 --> 00:47:28,788
-to us at hello@virtualcoffee.io.
-
-864
-00:47:30,597 --> 00:47:34,137
-Dan: Yep. Um, we have, we have
-on our home on a, on like
-
-865
-00:47:34,137 --> 00:47:38,668
-on our website website. Um, we
-have a section
-
-866
-00:47:36,407 --> 00:47:42,327
-of our sponsors too. So you can
-see who has supported
-
-867
-00:47:38,668 --> 00:47:45,818
-us so far that we have like 26,
-26 sponsors, um, and I want
-
-868
-00:47:42,327 --> 00:47:47,047
-to say thank you to everybody
-who has sponsored us so far.
-
-869
-00:47:48,128 --> 00:47:51,608
-Well, um, yeah. So is there
-anything else
-
-870
-00:47:49,027 --> 00:47:52,597
-we wanted to, we wanted to cover
-before we wrap up.
-
-871
-00:47:53,202 --> 00:47:55,393
-Bekah: I just want to say thank
-you to everybody that has
-
-872
-00:47:55,393 --> 00:48:00,672
-donated their time and their
-effort, um, resources to making
-
-873
-00:48:00,672 --> 00:48:03,733
-sure that everybody has been
-supported over the last year
-
-874
-00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:09,943
-that we've been doing this. You
-know, it's still an amazing
-
-875
-00:48:05,172 --> 00:48:15,583
-thing in my mind that here we
-are a year later, closer and
-
-876
-00:48:09,943 --> 00:48:17,503
-together and grown so much. And
-we're able to do this again.
-
-877
-00:48:17,503 --> 00:48:21,043
-So you for everyone for making
-sure that that
-
-878
-00:48:21,043 --> 00:48:21,702
-got to happen, right.
-
-879
-00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:30,041
-Kirk: Yeah. I think, um, I just
-want to
-
-880
-00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:31,905
-say I, I, I still get a lot of.
-I don't know.
-
-881
-00:48:31,905 --> 00:48:34,706
-I still, a lot of people ask me
-like, Hey, you know, what
-
-882
-00:48:34,706 --> 00:48:38,275
-happens when VC gets too big? Or
-what are we going to
-
-883
-00:48:36,326 --> 00:48:41,996
-do when PC gets super big? And
-I'm like, well, I mean,
-
-884
-00:48:38,275 --> 00:48:48,206
-you know, every community has
-growing pains, I think what
-
-885
-00:48:41,996 --> 00:48:53,755
-makes me feel really happy and,
-um, really positive is no,
-
-886
-00:48:48,266 --> 00:48:58,615
-every, every time I come into
-VC, I still see people being
-
-887
-00:48:53,755 --> 00:49:01,346
-really, uh, warm and caring. I
-still see people
-
-888
-00:48:59,576 --> 00:49:02,246
-supporting each other and the
-heavy channel.
-
-889
-00:49:02,666 --> 00:49:05,275
-I still see people supporting
-each other and helping pairing.
-
-890
-00:49:05,786 --> 00:49:07,976
-And I think the cool thing is
-there's a lot of
-
-891
-00:49:07,976 --> 00:49:11,525
-folks who have been here since
-last Hacktoberfest.
-
-892
-00:49:11,545 --> 00:49:14,306
-You know, you have folks who
-have been here for
-
-893
-00:49:12,146 --> 00:49:17,666
-over a year with us, and that's
-amazing, but we also have a lot
-
-894
-00:49:14,306 --> 00:49:22,045
-of new folks, know, folks with
-been here a month, two months,
-
-895
-00:49:17,666 --> 00:49:26,501
-three months, and they are.
-Enjoying it, loving it and
-
-896
-00:49:23,291 --> 00:49:29,411
-then making new friendships and
-supporting other people and
-
-897
-00:49:26,561 --> 00:49:33,460
-being supportive themselves. And
-I don't know that just,
-
-898
-00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:35,650
-it just always makes me, me feel
-really good every time
-
-899
-00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:39,380
-I see someone who hasn't been
-here that long, but when we
-
-900
-00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:41,920
-do our Friday gratitude or
-Wednesday shout outs, like,
-
-901
-00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,460
-Hey, I really liked this space.
-And I really liked the people
-
-902
-00:49:41,951 --> 00:49:47,530
-here and I want to help out.
-And, um, that makes me
-
-903
-00:49:45,641 --> 00:49:48,400
-think that, you know, they're
-still doing that.
-
-904
-00:49:49,447 --> 00:49:52,777
-Dan: Yeah, I would, uh, I, I
-would just echo both
-
-905
-00:49:53,137 --> 00:49:58,358
-what you've all said. You know,
-this community is
-
-906
-00:49:54,188 --> 00:49:59,257
-amazing and I'm very glad and
-proud to be part of it.
-
-907
-00:49:59,858 --> 00:50:03,547
-And the members. What makes you
-know,
-
-908
-00:50:01,628 --> 00:50:05,047
-what make it amazing. And, um, I
-don't know.
-
-909
-00:50:05,047 --> 00:50:05,978
-I'm looking forward to another
-year.
-
-910
-00:50:05,978 --> 00:50:08,947
-I, I am very, very pumped about
-Hacktoberfest this year.
-
-911
-00:50:09,007 --> 00:50:11,197
-I'm very pumped about the things
-we have going on.
-
-912
-00:50:11,588 --> 00:50:16,268
-The people that are going to be
-involved I've yet
-
-913
-00:50:16,268 --> 00:50:19,478
-to brew up exactly how I'm going
-to, you know, try to.
-
-914
-00:50:20,273 --> 00:50:23,842
-Murder myself at the end of the
-month, trying to redo
-
-915
-00:50:23,842 --> 00:50:25,132
-something, but I'm sure I'll
-think of something.
-
-916
-00:50:25,463 --> 00:50:27,532
-And I'm pumped about that to you
-honestly, because there
-
-917
-00:50:27,532 --> 00:50:32,092
-was a lot of fun last year. Um,
-so yeah, I guess, I
-
-918
-00:50:28,913 --> 00:50:35,123
-guess that's pretty much it. Um,
-if you want to keep up to
-
-919
-00:50:32,483 --> 00:50:38,273
-date with us, uh, you know,
-subscribe to our newsletter,
-
-920
-00:50:35,123 --> 00:50:42,563
-um, follow us on Twitter at, uh,
-Virtual Coffee
-
-921
-00:50:38,393 --> 00:50:42,563
-IO, follow us somewhere.
-
-922
-00:50:43,132 --> 00:50:45,322
-Bekah: To check out our site.
-We've got lots of
-
-923
-00:50:43,882 --> 00:50:45,322
-good stuff on there.
-
-924
-00:50:45,713 --> 00:50:46,972
-Dan: Yeah, we have a dope
-website.
-
-925
-00:50:47,003 --> 00:50:52,253
-It's at Virtual Coffee.io. Um,
-subscribe on your podcast.
-
-926
-00:50:52,552 --> 00:50:56,302
-Software of choice. If you have
-not done that yet,
-
-927
-00:50:53,813 --> 00:50:58,132
-what are you supposed to say?
-Hit that something about,
-
-928
-00:50:58,182 --> 00:51:01,592
-Bekah: hit like, no, as for
-YouTube, you can
-
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 being patient there, I think
 
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-I just want to help people as
+goes into my writing. Cause I
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 best
 
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 inclusive space in tech to have.
 
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 about
 
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 the people who are reading them.
-I can't tell you how many times
+Because I can't tell you how
 
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+many times
+
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 started reading something and
 got very frustrated because I
 
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 following the steps. But it
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 what to do or what to look for.
 And that can be really hard to
 
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+navigate through, especially if
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 have a good support system. So I
 really appreciate hearing you
 
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 talk about making sure that
 that's part of your process.
 
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 just like the person came to
 
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 learn. And so when you're just
 skipping steps or saying, oh,
 
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 what are the things too? That's
 a pet peeve is when people say,
 
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 oh,
 
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 it's so easy. You just do this.
-You can't say that. Like a lot
+You can't say that. [Chuckles]
 
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+Like a lot
+
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 of
 
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 people do this when they're
-setting up, like get hub for the
+setting up, like gitHub for the
 
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 first time and they'll say, oh
 yeah, This up and you just run
 
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 these commands, just open up
 your, your. terminal. It's
 
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 totally fine. And, and there you
 go. And it's like, no, it's not
 
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 totally fine. This is brand new
 for a lot of people. So you've
 
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 got to walk through those steps
 and throw in some screenshots
 
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 make sure that people can follow
 along. Cause it might be easy
 
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 for
 
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 somebody that's been doing it
 for many, many years, but when
 
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 you're
 
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 first learning it, you're going,
-wait, where's my terminal.
+wait, where's my terminal? 376
 
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+00:17:32,913 --> 00:17:33,763
 00:17:34,613 --> 00:17:36,307
-Where's my command prompt. How
+Where's my command prompt? How
+
+384
+00:17:33,763 --> 00:17:34,613
 do I type, do I type this in
 
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 first
 
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 and then do this? Or this is
 very confusing. So.
 
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+00:17:40,833 --> 00:17:42,228
 Bekah: Yeah, I'll never forget.
-It's one of the first times I
+[crosstalk] It's one of the
 
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+first times I
+
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 paired with somebody is somebody
 that I really like admired in
 
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 the
 
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 industry. And I was terrified
 because I didn't know. And at
 
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 that point I hadn't really been
-using. Uh, VS Code or, or
+using. VS Code or, or
 
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-anything like that. And so okay,
-um, can you open up a text
+393
+00:17:56,012 --> 00:17:58,982
+anything like that. And so they
+said "okay, can you open up a
 
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+
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-editor? And I had no idea what
+editor?" And I had no idea what
 that word meant. And so I opened
 
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 up Google docs and, they like,
-of went with it. And then
+kind of went with it. And then
 
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 eventually
 
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 they were like, do you have
 something like VS Code or Atom.
 
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-oh, a text editor. like, Things
-like that, you know, I didn't
+399
+00:18:16,232 --> 00:18:19,390
+oh, that's a text editor. like,
+Things like that, you know, I
 
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+
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 know.
 
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 Jessica: Right.
 
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 Bekah: I hadn't seen it written
 before and I was using built-in,
 
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+00:18:28,907 --> 00:18:30,782
 things with the lessons that I
-was learning. I remember just
+was learning. And I remember
 
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+just
+
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 that sense of shame that didn't
 belong there. Right. I shouldn't
 
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 be ashamed in that moment, but
 when you feel like there are
 
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 assumptions like, oh, I should
 have known that. And it's not
 
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 true. So to have people breaking
 things down to avoid, that makes
 
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 it much easier for people to
 keep learning.
 
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 mean, people want to learn and,
 
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 and I think writing is just such
 an important skill. I think
 
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+00:19:00,363 --> 00:19:02,537
 everybody should write and work
-on writing. And I think there's
+on writing. And, and I think
 
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+there's
+
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 00:19:04,712 --> 00:19:07,353
 just two levels. There's writing
 technical articles and then
 
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 there's also writing about your
 personal story. And so the cool
 
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 thing about this monthly
 challenge is I get to do both is
 
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 I get to focus on some technical
 stuff and then I get to talk
 
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-about, some weird stories I have
-some fun articles coming up
+about, some yo weird stories I
+have some fun articles coming up
 
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 there
 
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 and just kind of sharing my
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 Dan: Yeah, I think that's
 awesome. That balance of, of,
 
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 you
 
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 know, not making assumptions
-about your audience and, um, but
+about your audience and, but
 
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 also still kind of getting your
 point across for the thing
 
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 you're
 
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 trying to learn is, is a, is a
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 think you do it well. there, is
 there anything. If somebody was
 
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 starting a technical article,
-you know, I mean, w what advice
+you know, I mean, w- what advice
 
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 would
 
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 the thing that I wanted to learn
 
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 that I wanted to, you know,
-teach, uh, required to GitHub,
+teach, had required GitHub,
 
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 you know, required you to check
 out a repository and all of that
 
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 stuff. you say, like, would you
 suggest putting all that stuff
 
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 step-by-step in or linking to.
 Articles about, you know, about
 
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 how to do that and that kind of
 thing. Like what, what kind of
 
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 approach, you know, generally
 would you would you suggest?
 
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 Jessica: Yeah. So I think it's
-fine if they're. Uh, if you want
+fine if there's. if you want
 
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 to Link an article, or if you
 want to have a right at the very
 
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 top of your articles, just say,
 prerequisites must be familiar
 
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-with and GitHub. Um, I mean, I
-just wrote an article about, uh,
+with Git and GitHub. I mean, I
+just wrote an article about,
 
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 how to work with Node and
 NodeMailer for emails. And so I
 
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 had a prerequisite say, okay,
 I'm not going to cover basic
 
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 JavaScript. So it's important.
 That you understand some of the
 
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 basic concepts and the basics
 behind nodes. So we can dive
 
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 straight into this. And there
-was one section there's a
+was one section where there's a
 
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 different
 
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 setup with how to do Google with
 NodeMailer and set up all the,
 
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 off the authentication there.
 And so I did link to another
 
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-freeCodeCamp article and say,
+FreeCodeCamp article and say,
 okay, here's a detailed
 
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 step-by-step process. If you're
-going to use google with
+going to use Google with
 
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 NodeMailer, otherwise you could
 walk through the steps that I'm
 
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 going to show you here. So I
 think that's completely fine.
 
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 There were, if you feel like you
-could write through. Um, all of
+could write through. All of
 
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 those steps in the article, I
 think either approach works
 
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-there. Um, but I, I think it's
+there. But I, I think it's
 healthy to have like a
 
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 prerequisites if necessary, just
 to let everybody know, Hey, if
 
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 you don't have these
 prerequisites, that is going to
 
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 be kind of hard to follow,
 especially for some of the
 
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 tutorials, because I see a lot
-of people have freeCodeCamp, go
+of people have FreeCodeCamp, go
 
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 through a lot of our Python
 tutorials, which assume you have
 
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 some basic knowledge, but
 they're not acknowledging that
 
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 00:21:31,434 --> 00:21:33,386
 you have,
 
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-uh, that basic knowledge. And so
+that basic knowledge. And so
 they'll come to the forum and
 
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 00:21:36,807 --> 00:21:39,057
 they'll go, how do I do this? Or
 why does it say I have an
 
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 00:21:39,057 --> 00:21:41,518
 indentation error? And so we'll
 tell them, like, you're doing
 
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 00:21:41,518 --> 00:21:42,613
 crazy things with your
 indentation. You can't do that
 
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 00:21:42,613 --> 00:21:43,708
 in
 
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 00:21:43,708 --> 00:21:46,948
 Python, but they won't know that
 because they just started coding
 
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 00:21:46,978 --> 00:21:50,278
 Python like two days ago. And
 they're trying to build like a
 
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 00:21:50,278 --> 00:21:54,143
 Discord bot. And so just a
 properly communicating. Like,
 
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 00:21:54,143 --> 00:21:58,613
 this is not necessarily a
 beginner or if it is like, some
 
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 00:21:58,613 --> 00:22:00,098
 walkthrough steps that you can
 go through. Here's a great
 
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 00:22:00,098 --> 00:22:01,583
 article
 
-446
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 00:22:01,583 --> 00:22:04,853
 that lays it out. so I, I think
 that's completely fine there.
 
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-Dan: Ah, I love that, that, um,
+Dan: Ah, I love that, that,
 prerequisites, you know, is, I
 
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+478
 00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:09,763
 think that's a great, a great
 way to set expectations for the,
 
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 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,113
 you
 
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 00:22:11,113 --> 00:22:12,388
 know, for the article. Right.
 And then you don't get down
 
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 three
 
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-paragraphs in and. Um, assuming
-you read prerequisites, you
+482
+00:22:13,663 --> 00:22:15,002
+paragraphs in and become totally
+lost Assuming you read
 
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+00:22:15,002 --> 00:22:16,341
+prerequisites, you
+
+484
 00:22:16,342 --> 00:22:19,021
 know?
 
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 00:22:19,048 --> 00:22:22,288
 Jessica: Yeah. Yeah. I try to
-make it obviously, you know? a
+make it obvious, you know? a
 
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-headache, like here you go.
+heading, like here you go.
 
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 Dan: Right, right.
 
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 00:22:25,198 --> 00:22:26,682
 Jessica: So if someone misses
 it, it's like, okay, well, I did
 
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 00:22:26,682 --> 00:22:28,166
 try
 
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+490
 00:22:28,167 --> 00:22:28,557
-to warn you.
+to warn you. [chuckles]
 
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 Dan: Yeah, exactly. I think
 that's great advice. Yeah.
 
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 00:22:33,587 --> 00:22:37,097
 Bekah: Yeah, I think too, it's
 almost a really good convention
 
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 to build into something so I
-could see, um, Like software
+could see, Like software
 
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 that
 
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 00:22:42,647 --> 00:22:47,928
-hosts tech blogging, like, uh,
-tech blogging platforms. be
+hosts tech blogging, like, tech
+blogging platforms. be
 
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+496
+00:22:47,928 --> 00:22:49,180
 really nice if that was built
-in. what are the prerequisites?
+in. so what are the
 
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+prerequisites?
+
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 00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:52,938
 And
 
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 00:22:52,938 --> 00:22:56,508
 then you can click the thing or
 you can add the thing then that
 
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+500
 00:22:56,508 --> 00:22:59,327
 way it already, everybody knows
-where they should look Okay.
+where they should look for Okay.
 
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 00:22:59,327 --> 00:23:02,146
 This
 
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 00:23:02,147 --> 00:23:05,238
 is what I need to know. I don't
 know those things. And it also
 
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+503
 00:23:05,238 --> 00:23:07,562
 puts it in the writer's mind
 that it makes it obvious to them
 
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 00:23:07,562 --> 00:23:09,886
 to
 
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 00:23:09,887 --> 00:23:15,657
 think about. It makes it a
 deliberate decision to recognize
 
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-who their audience is what they
-should already know coming into
+506
+00:23:15,657 --> 00:23:18,162
+who their audience is and what
+they should already know coming
 
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+00:23:18,162 --> 00:23:20,667
+into
+
+508
 00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:24,178
 this. So I think like from both
 perspectives, it would be really
 
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 00:23:24,178 --> 00:23:29,127
 useful in helping us to have
 these conversations about, what
 
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 00:23:29,127 --> 00:23:32,577
 content is usable, usable for
 different audiences.
 
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 Jessica: Right. And then there's
 some tutorials where people
 
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 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,152
 label
 
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 00:23:37,153 --> 00:23:39,613
 it beginner, but it's clearly
 isn't beginner. I'm like, I
 
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 00:23:39,613 --> 00:23:42,073
 don't
 
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 00:23:42,073 --> 00:23:44,188
 think beginners or I wasn't
 doing that. I was first starting
 
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 00:23:44,188 --> 00:23:46,303
 out.
 
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 00:23:46,932 --> 00:23:50,952
 And so sometimes people really
 mislabel, which hurts beginners,
 
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 and then they're going through
 it. They're like, well, how do I
 
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 do this? I was like, well, maybe
 we start off with something a
 
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+520
 00:23:55,553 --> 00:23:58,330
-little bit easier if that's
+little bit easier if, if that's
 okay. So yeah, so sometimes
 
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 00:23:58,330 --> 00:24:01,107
 people, I
 
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+522
 00:24:01,147 --> 00:24:02,887
 think a lot of it has to do
 with, they forget what it's like
 
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 to be
 
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 a beginner
 
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 Dan: Yes.
 
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 00:24:05,288 --> 00:24:07,597
 Jessica: or they rewrite history
 and they're like, oh, I was
 
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 00:24:07,597 --> 00:24:09,262
 totally doing this when I was
 first learning in six months or
 
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 00:24:09,262 --> 00:24:10,927
 a
 
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 year. And it's like, no, you
 probably weren't. You probably
 
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 00:24:15,008 --> 00:24:18,248
 just forgot you weren't doing
 those types of things. Cause I
 
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 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:19,940
 think the first few months.
-Going through a freeCodeCamp and
+Going through a FreeCodeCamp and
 
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 going
 
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 I didn't understand how HTML CSS
 
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 00:24:25,323 --> 00:24:27,782
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 was just like, okay, there's
 
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 00:24:27,782 --> 00:24:30,992
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 objects, but how do I make a
 
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 00:24:30,992 --> 00:24:33,452
 webpage? So I just didn't
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 00:24:33,452 --> 00:24:38,643
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 it's, it's a lot of information
 
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 00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:40,457
 and it's just like fire hose.
 And so you just have to make
 
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 00:24:40,457 --> 00:24:42,271
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 00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:45,242
 that you're not making
 assumptions going, oh yeah, you
 
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 00:24:45,242 --> 00:24:48,212
 could totally do this with your
 beginner. And it's like, no. you
 
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 00:24:48,212 --> 00:24:51,528
 gotta break that down there.
 That's definitely not a beginner
 
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 00:24:51,528 --> 00:24:54,468
 tutorial. Let's label it
 intermediate at best there.
 
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 00:24:55,512 --> 00:24:57,142
 Dan: Yeah, absolutely. And you
 know, to your point. People
 
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 00:24:57,142 --> 00:24:58,772
 could
 
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 00:24:58,772 --> 00:25:00,972
-forget, um, you know, the, what
-it feels like to be a beginner
+forget, you know, the, what it
+feels like to be a beginner
 
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 00:25:00,972 --> 00:25:03,172
 at
 
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 00:25:03,173 --> 00:25:04,648
 it from experience. It's very
 easy to forget that, you know,
 
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 00:25:04,648 --> 00:25:06,123
 it
 
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 00:25:06,123 --> 00:25:07,753
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+takes effort to remember that in
 practice. I'm sure. You know, it
 
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 00:25:07,753 --> 00:25:09,383
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 00:25:09,823 --> 00:25:11,392
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-it's hard to, it's hard
+easier. but, yeah, it's, it's
+hard to, it's hard
 
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 00:25:11,392 --> 00:25:12,961
 sometimes to
 
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 00:25:12,962 --> 00:25:14,752
 put yourself back in. know, once
 you're a few years into a
 
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 00:25:14,752 --> 00:25:16,542
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 00:25:16,903 --> 00:25:20,863
-uh, to put yourself back into
-spot, you know, the like total
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+you know, the like total
 
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 00:25:20,863 --> 00:25:21,792
 utter confusion,
 
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 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:23,238
 Jessica: Right. Exactly.
 
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-Dan: like, I, I can remember it,
-you know, if I, if I make my,
+559
+00:25:23,532 --> 00:25:24,792
+Dan: like, I, I can't remember
+it, you know, if I, if I make
 
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+
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 00:25:26,173 --> 00:25:29,053
 like, if I think about it, I can
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 00:25:29,053 --> 00:25:29,922
 at the same boat. I'm like,
 well, I'm writing, you see him
 
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 00:25:29,922 --> 00:25:30,791
 out
 
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 00:25:30,792 --> 00:25:32,247
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 writing like PHP at the same
 
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 00:25:32,247 --> 00:25:33,702
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+00:25:33,702 --> 00:25:34,536
 was like learning it all at the
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+same time and tottally didn't
 
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+understand how
+
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 00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:37,038
 they
 
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 00:25:37,038 --> 00:25:38,253
 all connected. And, you know,
 somebody sent me a CSS file.
 
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 00:25:38,253 --> 00:25:39,468
 He's
 
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 00:25:39,468 --> 00:25:42,798
 like instead of using whatever
 use this. And I'm like, well,
 
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 00:25:42,807 --> 00:25:44,928
 here's a bunch of black magic.
 I'm just going to drop into my
 
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 00:25:44,928 --> 00:25:46,622
 like... into my program.
 apparently it works, you know,
 
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 00:25:46,622 --> 00:25:48,316
 it
 
-540
+575
 00:25:48,798 --> 00:25:53,147
-it's, uh, yeah, it can be a, a
-hard thing to, to remember, but
+it's, yeah, it can be a, a hard
+thing to, to remember, but
 
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 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:54,498
 an important thing for sure.
 
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 00:25:55,863 --> 00:25:57,272
 Bekah: So I want to back up a
 little bit because I feel like
 
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 00:25:57,272 --> 00:25:58,681
 we
 
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 00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:01,442
 miss this very impart important
 part of the story of. You
 
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 00:26:01,442 --> 00:26:04,202
 started
 
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+581
 00:26:04,202 --> 00:26:07,482
 learning to code and suddenly
-you're writing for freeCodeCamp.
+you're writing for FreeCodeCamp.
 
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 00:26:07,502 --> 00:26:10,113
 Like that's not something little
 right.
 
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 00:26:10,163 --> 00:26:11,573
 Jessica: totally glossed over
 that. Yeah.
 
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-00:26:12,452 --> 00:26:14,372
-Bekah: accomplishment. So I
-don't want to lose that. so tell
+584
+00:26:12,452 --> 00:26:13,412
+Bekah: That's a major
+accomplishment. So I don't want
 
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+
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 00:26:14,372 --> 00:26:16,292
 us,
 
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 00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:17,853
 how did that happen?
 
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 00:26:18,323 --> 00:26:20,182
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 story, but that's kind of my
 
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 00:26:20,182 --> 00:26:22,041
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 00:26:22,042 --> 00:26:25,942
 what ends up happening is around
 October of 2020, or actually
 
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 00:26:25,942 --> 00:26:29,663
 September of 2020, I decided to
-join the freeCodeCamp forum
+join the FreeCodeCamp forum
 
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 00:26:29,663 --> 00:26:31,057
 because like a lot of
 self-taught developers, you kind
 
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 00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:32,451
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 00:26:32,452 --> 00:26:34,312
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-and then you try to find one
+around different. Resources, and
+then you try to find one
 
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 00:26:34,312 --> 00:26:36,172
 that
 
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 00:26:36,173 --> 00:26:38,393
 works. And so I did a few
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 00:26:38,393 --> 00:26:41,482
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-on freeCodeCamp. I was like, I
+FreeCodeCamp, but then I landed
+on FreeCodeCamp. I was like, I
 
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 00:26:41,482 --> 00:26:43,147
 kinda like this. Okay, cool. So
 I started going through, the
 
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 00:26:43,147 --> 00:26:44,812
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 00:26:44,813 --> 00:26:48,232
 certification, which is on HTML
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 00:26:48,728 --> 00:26:51,847
 And so I decided to just sign up
 for the forum. I was like, maybe
 
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 00:26:51,847 --> 00:26:54,407
 I could connect with some
 beginners that be kind of cool.
 
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+00:26:54,518 --> 00:26:56,153
 And some other developers just
-talk with them. As I originally,
+talk with them. And so I
 
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+
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 00:26:57,788 --> 00:26:59,917
 I just thought I would just kind
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 00:26:59,917 --> 00:27:03,488
 maybe jump in once in a while,
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 00:27:03,488 --> 00:27:06,938
 more and answering questions or
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 00:27:06,938 --> 00:27:09,817
 sharing my story. And so after
 about a month of being on the
 
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 00:27:09,817 --> 00:27:13,667
 forum, Quincy reached out to me
 and he was like, Hey, you're
 
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 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:17,448
 super active and what's your
 story? Let's talk. And so we set
 
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 00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:20,718
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 about like 45 minutes, and we
 
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 00:27:20,718 --> 00:27:23,897
 just talked about his background
 coming from a teacher into tech
 
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 00:27:23,897 --> 00:27:27,617
 and then my background with
 music. And he decided, he said,
 
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 00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:32,057
 well, you should join our forum
 moderator team and start writing
 
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 00:27:32,057 --> 00:27:35,988
-for freeCodeCamp is a volunteer.
+for FreeCodeCamp as a volunteer.
 Okay. I don't know what to write
 
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 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,998
 about. Cause I've just been
 doing this for like two seconds
 
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 00:27:37,998 --> 00:27:40,008
 and he
 
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 00:27:40,008 --> 00:27:43,307
 said, just share your story. And
 I'm like, oh, I could do that.
 
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 00:27:43,307 --> 00:27:46,607
 That sounds fun. So I decided to
 just write a few posts about my
 
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 00:27:46,607 --> 00:27:49,607
 story so I wrote one, my first
 one was about what I enjoyed
 
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-00:27:49,607 --> 00:27:53,057
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-one article about the parallels
+621
+00:27:49,607 --> 00:27:51,332
+about being a beginner. And I
+wrote one article about the
 
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+00:27:51,332 --> 00:27:53,057
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+
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 00:27:53,057 --> 00:27:58,008
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-blending code and programming.
+between music and. learning code
+and programming.
 
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 And then that was noticed by
 Gatsby and they were like, Hey,
 
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 00:28:02,327 --> 00:28:03,932
 we have this blog and do you
 want to write it? We'll pay you.
 
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 00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:05,537
 I was
 
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 00:28:05,538 --> 00:28:08,597
 like, yeah, that sounds fun to
 me. So that I wrote about
 
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 00:28:08,597 --> 00:28:10,157
 imposter syndrome and how I
 dealt with it as a musician and
 
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 00:28:10,157 --> 00:28:11,717
 how.
 
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 00:28:12,188 --> 00:28:14,798
 Yeah, it goes in with
 programming. so now all of a
 
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 00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:19,057
 sudden I start writing articles
 and just sharing my story. And
 
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 00:28:19,057 --> 00:28:20,452
 after a few months of doing
 that, Quincy comes back to me
 
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 00:28:20,452 --> 00:28:21,847
 and says,
 
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+634
 00:28:22,087 --> 00:28:24,817
 well, I've got another
-proposition for you. Um, do you
+proposition for you. do you
 
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+635
 00:28:24,817 --> 00:28:27,938
 want to start writing technical
 articles and we'll pay you per
 
-598
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 00:28:27,938 --> 00:28:32,538
 article? And I was like, ah, I
 don't think I could do that. So
 
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 00:28:32,538 --> 00:28:36,048
 originally I actually said no
 very politely, because I just
 
-600
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 00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:37,038
 didn't think I could do that.
 Cause at this point this was
 
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 00:28:37,038 --> 00:28:38,028
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 00:28:38,028 --> 00:28:42,468
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 same time I had started my first
 
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 00:28:42,468 --> 00:28:45,258
 developer job, but I was still
 kind of overwhelmed with that. I
 
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 00:28:45,258 --> 00:28:46,577
 was working part-time at this
 small company. And so I was
 
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 00:28:46,577 --> 00:28:47,896
 like,
 
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 00:28:47,968 --> 00:28:51,637
 I don't know if I'm qualified to
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 00:28:51,647 --> 00:28:55,488
 who is going to believe me. I, I
 don't know what I'm doing. And.
 
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 00:28:55,978 --> 00:28:58,768
 He said, well, I, I think you
 can, I think you really good at
 
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 00:28:58,768 --> 00:29:03,327
 just breaking down concepts and
 could pick articles you feel
 
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 00:29:03,327 --> 00:29:06,958
 comfortable with. And so he had
-this whole Trello board uh,
+this whole Trello board,
 
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 00:29:06,988 --> 00:29:10,498
 topics and I could just choose
 which ones I felt comfortable
 
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 00:29:10,498 --> 00:29:13,377
 with. So I picked all the HTML,
-CSS, wines, I think maybe a
+CSS, ones, I think maybe a
 
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 00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:17,127
-couple of JavaScript ones, um,
-and just started from there. And
+couple of JavaScript ones, and
+just started from there. And
 
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+652
 00:29:17,127 --> 00:29:20,488
 so a few months of just writing
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-615
+653
 00:29:20,488 --> 00:29:26,137
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-July. Uh, it was interesting
+my own schedule and, around
+July. It was interesting
 
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 00:29:26,167 --> 00:29:29,887
 because I was deciding if I
 actually wanted this to be a
 
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+655
 00:29:29,887 --> 00:29:33,728
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-um, an opportunity came up with
+full-time career or not. And, an
+opportunity came up with
 
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 00:29:33,728 --> 00:29:38,428
 Disney for a music job, but I
 ended up turning that down to
 
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 00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:39,458
 pursue software
 
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 00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:40,617
 Dan: Wow.
 
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 00:29:40,907 --> 00:29:44,347
 Jessica: Yeah. Which is a whole
 other story in of itself, which
 
-622
+660
 00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:46,077
-we could cover. But, uh, but
-yeah, so then I was like, okay,
+we could cover. But, but yeah,
+so then I was like, okay,
 
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+661
 00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:47,807
 I
 
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+662
 00:29:47,807 --> 00:29:51,518
 guess we're going into software
 now I turned down that job and
 
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+663
 00:29:51,518 --> 00:29:54,087
 then Quincy reached out again,
 said, Hey, I've got a job for
 
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+664
 00:29:54,087 --> 00:29:58,337
 you. I want you to join my team
-officially you know, be, uh,
+officially you know, and be,
 
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+665
 00:29:58,397 --> 00:29:59,807
 writing all the time. I was
 like, okay, cool. So it's funny
 
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+666
 00:29:59,807 --> 00:30:01,217
 how
 
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+667
 00:30:01,218 --> 00:30:03,333
 life works out, where one door
 closes and then another one
 
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+668
 00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:05,448
 opens
 
-631
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 00:30:05,448 --> 00:30:09,988
-around. Uh, I started officially
-in August of 2021. Writing
+around. I started officially in
+August of 2021. Writing
 
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+670
 00:30:09,988 --> 00:30:13,057
 articles and being part of the
 author team. And so there's a
 
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+671
 00:30:13,057 --> 00:30:16,077
 total of four of us. And we all
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+672
 00:30:16,077 --> 00:30:17,862
 backgrounds and we're located
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-635
+673
 00:30:17,862 --> 00:30:19,647
 now
 
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+674
 00:30:19,647 --> 00:30:22,647
 assign us articles. And so he'll
 send us like 10 or 12 different
 
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+675
 00:30:22,647 --> 00:30:25,252
-headlines a time. And then. we
-just write. basically we
+headlines at a time. And then.
+we just write. basically we
 
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 00:30:25,252 --> 00:30:27,857
 research
 
-639
+677
 00:30:27,857 --> 00:30:31,127
-and write. Uh, so right now I
-have a whole bunch of SQL
+and write. So right now I have a
+whole bunch of SQL
 
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 00:30:31,127 --> 00:30:32,912
 articles and I've been learning
 about that and just writing
 
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 00:30:32,912 --> 00:30:34,697
 about
 
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 00:30:35,387 --> 00:30:38,837
 SQL basically as Well, as a few
 more JavaScript articles that I
 
-643
+681
 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,798
-have leftover that you get to
+have leftover that I need to
 write about. But Yeah. that's,
 
-644
+682
 00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:45,468
-that's kinda my story. How I,
+that's kinda my story. How I, my
 weird story, how I wound up at
 
-645
+683
 00:30:45,468 --> 00:30:46,288
-freeCodeCamp.
+FreeCodeCamp.
 
-646
-00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:48,692
-Dan: Oh, Thats great. Yeah. And
-you actually answered it at the
+684
+00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:47,497
+Dan: Oh, [crosstalk] Thats
+great. Yeah. And you actually
 
-647
+685
+00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:48,691
+answered it at the
+
+686
 00:30:48,692 --> 00:30:51,032
 end of a question I was going to
-ask was, um, you know, how to
+ask was, you know, how to
 
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+687
 00:30:51,032 --> 00:30:54,393
 balance, like, if you're, if
 writing is, you know, your main
 
-649
+688
 00:30:54,452 --> 00:30:56,913
-job, um, how to balance actually
+job, how to balance actually
 learning, you know, whilst
 
-650
+689
 00:30:56,913 --> 00:30:59,462
 writing, but it sounds like kind
 of built into the job, right?
 
-651
+690
 00:30:59,788 --> 00:31:00,387
-Jessica: Exactly.
+Jessica: Exactly. yeah.
 
-652
+691
 00:31:00,522 --> 00:31:01,262
 Dan: very cool.
 
-653
+692
 00:31:01,357 --> 00:31:03,557
 Jessica: Cause there's times
 where I'll get assigned articles
 
-654
+693
 00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:03,617
 Dan: Yeah.
 
-655
+694
 00:31:03,617 --> 00:31:05,548
 Jessica: and I'm like, okay, I
 feel comfortable about this. And
 
-656
+695
 00:31:05,548 --> 00:31:08,488
 then there's times where I'm
 like, I've never really worked
 
-657
+696
 00:31:08,488 --> 00:31:13,107
 with this. So I guess I'll have
 to learn it because I have to
 
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+697
 00:31:13,107 --> 00:31:16,048
 write about it and convince
 people that I know what I'm
 
-659
+698
 00:31:16,048 --> 00:31:17,562
 talking about there, but it's
 really great because I get to,
 
-660
+699
 00:31:17,562 --> 00:31:19,076
 we
 
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+700
 00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:21,215
 all have that, where we are. One
 of the authors was asked to
 
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 00:31:21,215 --> 00:31:23,353
 learn
 
-663
+702
 00:31:23,593 --> 00:31:26,502
 some PHP and writes a PHP
 articles. Another one was asked
 
-664
+703
 00:31:26,502 --> 00:31:30,492
-to write C, uh, C++, and learn
-that. we're all down for just
+to write C, C++, and learn that.
+we're all down for just
 
-665
+704
 00:31:30,492 --> 00:31:32,427
 learning, whatever we need to
 learn and get the job done
 
-666
+705
 00:31:32,427 --> 00:31:34,362
 there.
 
-667
+706
 00:31:35,962 --> 00:31:36,893
-Bekah: I love that much.
+Bekah: I love that so much.
 
-668
+707
 00:31:37,103 --> 00:31:37,333
-Dan: That's
+Dan: That's Awesome
 
-669
+708
 00:31:38,018 --> 00:31:38,678
 Bekah: Sorry, go ahead.
 
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+709
 00:31:39,538 --> 00:31:41,847
 Dan: That was my whole thing.
 That was awesome. That sounds
 
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+710
 00:31:41,847 --> 00:31:42,208
 awesome.
 
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 00:31:43,538 --> 00:31:45,293
 Bekah: I just kind of want to
 sum up your whole timeline here
 
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+712
 00:31:45,293 --> 00:31:47,048
 of
 
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 00:31:47,048 --> 00:31:48,995
 everything that's happened
 before. I think that for a lot
 
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 00:31:48,995 --> 00:31:50,942
 of
 
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 00:31:50,942 --> 00:31:54,962
 people that we talked to,
 especially people who are trying
 
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 00:31:54,962 --> 00:31:57,617
 to transition into a tech
 career, it's where to get start.
 
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 00:31:57,617 --> 00:32:00,272
 And
 
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 00:32:00,303 --> 00:32:02,373
 first of all, like get
 comfortable with being
 
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 00:32:02,373 --> 00:32:07,952
 uncomfortable, but also. You
 finding that spot, you had this
 
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 00:32:07,952 --> 00:32:11,173
 opportunity because you
-participated on freeCodeCamp
+participated on FreeCodeCamp
 
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 00:32:11,192 --> 00:32:14,313
 because they reached out to you
 because they saw like, look,
 
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 00:32:14,343 --> 00:32:16,713
 Jessica is awesome and she's
 here and she's contributing.
 
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 00:32:16,713 --> 00:32:19,083
 that just
 
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+724
 00:32:19,083 --> 00:32:21,407
 progressively led to more and
 bigger and better things. And
 
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+725
 00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:23,731
 so,
 
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-00:32:23,883 --> 00:32:26,223
+726
+00:32:23,883 --> 00:32:25,053
 you know, start with telling
-your story and, writing those
+your story and, and, writing
 
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+00:32:25,053 --> 00:32:26,223
+those
+
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 00:32:26,223 --> 00:32:28,563
 words
 
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 00:32:28,563 --> 00:32:31,792
 and this. You know, that's
 largely been my blogging
 
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 00:32:31,792 --> 00:32:36,442
 experience. I rarely write very
 technical things because just
 
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 00:32:36,442 --> 00:32:41,093
 want to get the words out on
 paper, or it's not on paper, but
 
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 00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:46,063
 put, put it out there into the
 world and that's a good place to
 
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 00:32:46,182 --> 00:32:46,603
 start.
 
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 00:32:47,222 --> 00:32:50,012
 Jessica: Yeah. I mean, there's,
 everybody has a story and
 
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+735
 00:32:50,012 --> 00:32:53,192
 everybody has something to talk
 about and share. And so just,
 
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+736
 00:32:53,192 --> 00:32:56,163
 just share with people and you'd
 be surprised who reaches out. I
 
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+737
 00:32:56,163 --> 00:32:57,783
 mean, that's how I got my first
 developer job is I wasn't
 
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+738
 00:32:57,783 --> 00:32:59,403
 looking
 
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+739
 00:32:59,403 --> 00:33:02,282
 for a job. I didn't think I was
 anywhere close to being ready,
 
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 00:33:02,492 --> 00:33:04,712
 but this guy found me on the
 forum. He's like, Hey, I'm
 
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+741
 00:33:04,712 --> 00:33:07,798
-looking for a junior. Yeah. Uh,
-junior and what,
+looking for a junior. Yeah. A
+junior in what?
 
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-00:33:08,942 --> 00:33:09,123
-Dan: Um,
-
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 00:33:09,208 --> 00:33:12,597
 Jessica: you want me to write
 code for you? And so he's like,
 
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+743
 00:33:12,597 --> 00:33:16,738
 yeah. And, I still work with him
 to this day and it's been an
 
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+744
 00:33:16,738 --> 00:33:20,367
 incredible learning experience,
 but that came out of just being
 
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 00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:23,548
 active on the forum and just,
 know, writing and talking about
 
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+746
 00:33:23,548 --> 00:33:24,298
 my story there.
 
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+747
 00:33:24,729 --> 00:33:27,489
 Bekah: Sorry. I was like, my
 brain is split in two different
 
-709
+748
 00:33:27,489 --> 00:33:29,693
 directions of where to go here.
-Um, I'm a, Dan is you want to
+I'm a, Dan is you want to
 
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+749
 00:33:29,693 --> 00:33:31,897
 add
 
-711
+750
 00:33:31,898 --> 00:33:34,298
 something before I take us off
 on a tangent?
 
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+751
 00:33:34,743 --> 00:33:37,023
 Dan: Nope. I would say pick the
 left one.
 
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+752
 00:33:37,513 --> 00:33:41,473
 Bekah: The left one. Okay. My
-left one was, um, thinking about
+left one was, thinking about
 
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 00:33:41,473 --> 00:33:45,973
 your, and literally in my mind,
 it was, it was on the left. your
 
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+754
 00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:47,398
 career goals. I don't know if
 you have career goals, but does,
 
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+755
 00:33:47,398 --> 00:33:48,823
 is
 
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+756
 00:33:48,824 --> 00:33:50,309
 writing something that you want
 to continue to do? Do you want
 
-718
+757
 00:33:50,309 --> 00:33:51,794
 to
 
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+758
 00:33:51,794 --> 00:33:57,344
 pursue, the writing aspect of
 coding or, or find yourself
 
-720
-00:33:57,344 --> 00:34:01,423
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+00:33:57,344 --> 00:33:59,383
 somewhere in the middle or just
-see this as of a tangent of your
+see this as part of a tangent of
 
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+00:33:59,383 --> 00:34:01,422
+your
+
+761
 00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:01,953
 journey?
 
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 00:34:02,538 --> 00:34:06,949
 Jessica: Yeah. Yeah. I would
 like to have at one point a, a
 
-723
+763
 00:34:06,949 --> 00:34:10,128
 traditional, like full-time
 developer job, but I definitely
 
-724
+764
 00:34:10,128 --> 00:34:11,478
 still want to keep writing. And
 so if there's any way I can
 
-725
+765
 00:34:11,478 --> 00:34:12,828
 still
 
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+766
 00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:16,369
 be involved, especially with
-freeCodeCamp, it's still write
+FreeCodeCamp, and still write
 
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+767
 00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:18,093
 articles for them in some sort
 of capacity. Cause I just, I, I
 
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+768
 00:34:18,093 --> 00:34:19,817
 love
 
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+769
 00:34:19,818 --> 00:34:23,031
 to write it. I love. Teach
 people and help out wherever I
 
-730
+770
 00:34:23,031 --> 00:34:26,244
 can. but
 
-731
+771
 00:34:26,244 --> 00:34:27,758
 they think the bigger career
 goal too, is I have all these
 
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 00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:29,272
 ideas
 
-733
+773
 00:34:29,273 --> 00:34:31,658
-for music related, uh, tech that
-I want to build. And some of
+for music related, tech that I
+want to build. And some of
 
-734
+774
 00:34:31,658 --> 00:34:34,043
 them
 
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+775
 00:34:34,043 --> 00:34:35,928
 are crazy ideas. And I mean, I
 guess all my ideas are crazy,
 
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 00:34:35,928 --> 00:34:37,813
 but
 
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 00:34:38,054 --> 00:34:39,083
-Bekah: are my favorite.
+Bekah: those are my favorite.
 
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 00:34:39,153 --> 00:34:40,453
 Jessica: I guess That's the
-entrepreneurship maybe where
+entrepreneurship in me where
 
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+779
 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:41,753
 it's
 
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 00:34:41,753 --> 00:34:43,378
 like, oh, my ideas are insane,
 but I just don't want to let
 
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 00:34:43,378 --> 00:34:45,003
 them
 
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+782
 00:34:45,003 --> 00:34:45,443
 go.
 
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 00:34:45,503 --> 00:34:45,824
 Dan: Those are
 
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 00:34:45,824 --> 00:34:47,508
 Jessica: the best ones And so.
 Exactly. So, yeah, so that's
 
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 00:34:47,508 --> 00:34:49,192
 like
 
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+786
 00:34:49,193 --> 00:34:52,943
 the long-term goal is to start
 slowly tackling some of these
 
-747
+787
 00:34:52,943 --> 00:34:57,623
 ideas and just kind of go from
 there and work a regular
 
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+788
 00:34:57,623 --> 00:34:59,498
 developer job, but then also
 keep writing and have fun with
 
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+789
 00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:01,373
 it.
 
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-00:35:02,753 --> 00:35:07,463
+790
+00:35:02,753 --> 00:35:05,108
 Bekah: Yeah, that gives me an
-idea for a monthly challenge, I
+idea for a monthly challenge,
 
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+791
+00:35:05,108 --> 00:35:07,463
+because I
+
+792
 00:35:07,463 --> 00:35:09,728
 think we have a big energy
-channel in slack. And a lot of
+channel in Slack. And a lot of
 
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+793
 00:35:09,728 --> 00:35:11,993
 it
 
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+794
 00:35:11,994 --> 00:35:19,494
-is just GIF's, um, to bring us
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+is just GIF's, to bring us big
+energy. But I really think
 
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+795
 00:35:19,494 --> 00:35:22,434
 that so many of us have these
 big ideas that we think are
 
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+796
 00:35:22,434 --> 00:35:24,038
 unattainable, or this is too
 big, or this is too out there.
 
-756
+797
 00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:25,642
 Right.
 
-757
-00:35:25,884 --> 00:35:31,494
+798
+00:35:25,884 --> 00:35:28,689
 Or there's just too many of them
-like on one. if there was a big
+to like focus on one. if there
 
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+799
+00:35:28,689 --> 00:35:31,494
+was a big
+
+800
 00:35:31,494 --> 00:35:34,943
 idea month, right? Like we all
 write down all of our big ideas
 
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 00:35:34,943 --> 00:35:37,148
 that we want to share. And work
 together to kind of give
 
-760
+802
 00:35:37,148 --> 00:35:39,353
 feedback
 
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+803
 00:35:39,353 --> 00:35:40,868
 on those big ideas and figure
 out like where to focus or how
 
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+804
 00:35:40,868 --> 00:35:42,383
 to
 
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+805
 00:35:42,384 --> 00:35:44,048
 break things down. And then, you
 know, that way, like together,
 
-764
+806
 00:35:44,048 --> 00:35:45,712
 we
 
-765
+807
 00:35:45,713 --> 00:35:48,893
 have that support, but we're,
 we're making progress on the
 
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+808
 00:35:48,893 --> 00:35:51,143
 things that we really enjoy
 doing it.
 
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+809
 00:35:52,153 --> 00:35:53,728
 Jessica: Exactly. I mean, I
 think ideas are fun and playing
 
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+810
 00:35:53,728 --> 00:35:55,303
 around
 
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+811
 00:35:55,304 --> 00:35:58,184
 with them and then trying to
 implement them. And sometimes
 
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+812
 00:35:58,184 --> 00:36:00,103
 people will call you crazy. I
 mean, people thought I was nuts
 
-771
+813
 00:36:00,344 --> 00:36:03,764
 to try to do a publishing
 company. I remember I went to an
 
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+814
 00:36:03,764 --> 00:36:07,523
 alumni event. And I was just
 started with the business and I,
 
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+815
 00:36:07,523 --> 00:36:10,344
 you know, you go around and does
 events and you talk to small
 
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 00:36:10,344 --> 00:36:11,649
 groups of people, and it was
 some sort of administrator with
 
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 00:36:11,649 --> 00:36:12,954
 the
 
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+818
 00:36:12,954 --> 00:36:17,304
 university of Rochester. And she
 was asking me what my next plans
 
-777
+819
 00:36:17,304 --> 00:36:19,268
 were. I said, well, you know, I
 just moved here to LA and
 
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+820
 00:36:19,268 --> 00:36:21,232
 looking
 
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+821
 00:36:21,233 --> 00:36:24,353
 for freelance work, but I also
 have this sheet music business
 
-780
-00:36:24,353 --> 00:36:28,204
+822
+00:36:24,353 --> 00:36:26,278
 that he just got started and she
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+was. Why I'm like, oh, okay.
 
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+823
+00:36:26,278 --> 00:36:28,203
+Well,
+
+824
 00:36:29,403 --> 00:36:33,333
 let me tell you why that was a
 little taken aback. I was like,
 
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+825
 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:35,448
 okay, great. Well, this
-conversation won't last long,
 
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+826
 00:36:35,448 --> 00:36:37,563
-uh,
+conversation won't last long,
+but
 
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+00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:40,324
 so I had a few people. They're
 just like, why would you, why
 
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+828
 00:36:40,324 --> 00:36:42,401
 would you do that? But I just
 had a very specific. Vision of
 
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+829
 00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:44,478
 what I
 
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+830
 00:36:44,478 --> 00:36:46,548
 wanted with my sheet music
 business. And then people were
 
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+831
 00:36:46,548 --> 00:36:47,913
 surprised that it actually
 turned into a business. I'm
 
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+832
 00:36:47,913 --> 00:36:49,278
 like, well,
 
-790
+833
 00:36:49,309 --> 00:36:52,639
 yeah, I told her I was going to
 do that. You didn't believe me.
 
-791
+834
 00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:56,748
 And so, yeah, I think sometimes
 people will just reject it and
 
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+835
 00:36:56,748 --> 00:36:58,458
 then once they see it come true
 and they're like, oh, okay. I
 
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+836
 00:36:58,458 --> 00:37:00,168
 see
 
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+837
 00:37:00,168 --> 00:37:02,778
 it there. I mean, the same thing
 happened with, with Disney where
 
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+838
 00:37:02,778 --> 00:37:04,233
 people thought he was nuts to
 build a park in Anaheim where
 
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+839
 00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:05,688
 all
 
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 00:37:05,688 --> 00:37:07,553
 these orange trees were and
 then. Obviously that worked out
 
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 00:37:07,553 --> 00:37:09,418
 for
 
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+842
 00:37:09,418 --> 00:37:11,113
 him, but initially people
 thought he was just completely
 
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+843
 00:37:11,113 --> 00:37:12,808
 nuts. Like
 
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+844
 00:37:12,809 --> 00:37:16,378
 who's going to go to this park
 and where is Anaheim and Well,
 
-802
+845
 00:37:16,409 --> 00:37:17,429
-people were wrong then.
+people were wrong there.
 
-803
+846
 00:37:20,003 --> 00:37:21,844
 Bekah: Well, I love that
 confidence that you talk It with
 
-804
+847
 00:37:21,864 --> 00:37:23,199
 too. You're like, yeah, I'm
 going to do this thing because I
 
-805
+848
 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:24,534
 want
 
-806
+849
 00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:28,043
 to do it. And it's a good idea.
 And at some point, people start
 
-807
+850
 00:37:28,043 --> 00:37:32,003
 to buy into that idea because of
 how you present it and the
 
-808
+851
 00:37:32,003 --> 00:37:33,803
 confidence that you use. And,
 oh, you're just like, love how
 
-809
+852
 00:37:33,803 --> 00:37:35,603
 chill
 
-810
+853
 00:37:35,603 --> 00:37:37,664
 you are when you talk about
 things. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.
 
-811
+854
 00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:40,824
 I would definitely work with
 Jessica on that, you know?
 
-812
+855
 00:37:42,068 --> 00:37:44,818
 Jessica: I just like going for
 things cause it's like, Yeah, it
 
-813
-00:37:44,818 --> 00:37:47,588
-either works out or it does it.
-And if it doesn't work out, I
+856
+00:37:44,818 --> 00:37:46,203
+either works out or it doesn't
+it. And if it doesn't work out,
 
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+857
+00:37:46,203 --> 00:37:47,588
+I
+
+858
 00:37:47,588 --> 00:37:50,318
 learned something. I had plenty
 of things that didn't work out,
 
-815
+859
 00:37:50,708 --> 00:37:52,628
 I'm glad I tried it. So I could
 at least learn along the way,
 
-816
+860
 00:37:52,628 --> 00:37:54,548
 but
 
-817
+861
 00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,759
 sometimes you just gotta go for
 it. You can't really play safe
 
-818
+862
 00:37:57,789 --> 00:38:00,438
-and, and um, you know what to do
+and, and, you know what to do
 too risky. You don't want to go
 
-819
+863
 00:38:00,438 --> 00:38:01,963
 like bankrupt or anything crazy,
 but like, you know, you just
 
-820
+864
 00:38:01,963 --> 00:38:03,488
 want
 
-821
+865
 00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:07,583
 to. If you have an idea and you
 feel really confident about it,
 
-822
+866
 00:38:07,583 --> 00:38:09,954
 just, just go for it and take it
 one step at a time. There.
 
-823
+867
 00:38:10,929 --> 00:38:13,748
 Dan: Yeah, it's a theme. That's
 come up a few times on the
 
-824
+868
 00:38:13,748 --> 00:38:16,889
 podcast that, you know, it makes
 me think of a Structured YOLO.
 
-825
+869
 00:38:16,989 --> 00:38:20,528
-Uh, Nick Taylor, um, which is a
-phrase he, he coined, you know,
+Nick Taylor, which is a phrase
+he, he coined, you know,
 
-826
+870
 00:38:20,528 --> 00:38:22,073
 but it's the same sort of idea,
 right? It's is. You know, I
 
-827
+871
 00:38:22,073 --> 00:38:23,618
 mean,
 
-828
+872
 00:38:25,059 --> 00:38:27,998
-don't want to do YOLO, right.
-But the
+don't want to go full YOLO,
+right. But the
 
-829
+873
 00:38:28,074 --> 00:38:28,614
 Jessica: Exactly.
 
-830
+874
 00:38:28,778 --> 00:38:29,659
 Dan: structured YOLO. Yeah,
 
-831
+875
 00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:30,563
 Jessica: the way out there. I
 
-832
+876
 00:38:30,708 --> 00:38:30,918
 Dan: yeah,
 
-833
+877
 00:38:31,103 --> 00:38:31,224
 Jessica: my
 
-834
+878
 00:38:31,228 --> 00:38:32,139
 Bekah: little bit of YOLO.
 
-835
+879
 00:38:32,588 --> 00:38:32,918
 Dan: yeah,
 
-836
+880
 00:38:32,934 --> 00:38:35,213
 Jessica: my business, I wasn't
 like, okay, cool. Let's just
 
-837
+881
 00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:37,224
 raise all this money. No, that
 would have been crazy. Cause I
 
-838
+882
 00:38:37,224 --> 00:38:38,423
 was like young, 20 something
 year old had didn't know what
 
-839
+883
 00:38:38,423 --> 00:38:39,622
 they
 
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+884
 00:38:39,623 --> 00:38:41,138
 were doing. Excited to take
 small little steps to get there.
 
-841
+885
 00:38:41,138 --> 00:38:42,653
 I
 
-842
+886
 00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:46,673
 couldn't go that big and do some
 crazy fundraising goal or
 
-843
+887
 00:38:46,673 --> 00:38:49,284
 whatever when I had no clue what
 I was doing. So.
 
-844
+888
 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:54,219
 Dan: Absolutely. But the, know,
 the willingness to have an idea
 
-845
+889
 00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:59,048
 that is not what a normal, I
 guess, whenever, you know, idea
 
-846
+890
 00:38:59,048 --> 00:39:01,028
 that you might run into that
 conversation with somebody like,
 
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+891
 00:39:01,059 --> 00:39:03,039
 well, why, why are you doing
 that? You know, but the
 
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+892
 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:04,988
-willingness to, um, jump into
-it, you know, and, and push
+willingness to, jump into it,
+you know, and, and push
 
-849
+893
 00:39:04,988 --> 00:39:06,937
 through,
 
-850
+894
 00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,278
-I think is, uh, a, know, a
-valuable, valuable trait to
+I think is, a, know, a valuable,
+valuable trait to
 
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+895
 00:39:09,278 --> 00:39:11,587
 have,
 
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-00:39:11,588 --> 00:39:13,498
+896
+00:39:11,588 --> 00:39:12,543
 you know, and obviously it's
-served use or do.
+served you, served you really
 
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+897
+00:39:12,543 --> 00:39:13,498
+well.
+
+898
 00:39:16,043 --> 00:39:22,224
-Bekah: So sometimes, um, it can
-be really challenging to write.
+Bekah: So sometimes, it can be
+really challenging to write.
 
-854
+899
 00:39:22,989 --> 00:39:29,289
 Blog posts to get started and to
 receive feedback on blog posts.
 
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+900
 00:39:29,318 --> 00:39:33,239
 You know, whether that's from an
 editor or somebody who has
 
-856
+901
 00:39:33,628 --> 00:39:42,369
 commented on your posts in a way
-that is not, um, kind So how do
+that is not, kind So how do
 
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 you navigate those challenging
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 Jessica: Yeah, It's feedback is
 always interesting, especially
 
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 the world of the internet
 because people can just hide
 
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 behind their
 
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 computers and save virtually
 anything to you that they
 
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 00:39:56,043 --> 00:39:58,923
 probably wouldn't say if you
 guys, if you were face-to-face
 
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 with them, but I try to just
 separate them between actual,
 
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 00:40:02,824 --> 00:40:06,893
-constructive feedback versus.
+constructive feedback versus. ok
 this is not helpful. I'm just
 
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 00:40:06,893 --> 00:40:09,983
 going to move on. And so I've
-had, uh, some constructive
+had, some constructive
 
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 00:40:09,983 --> 00:40:13,643
 feedback, like, oh, this is
-really good. could you like, uh,
+really good. could you like,
 
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 00:40:13,793 --> 00:40:17,213
 you know, expand on this part or
 could you talk more about this?
 
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 00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:18,983
 And I'm like, okay. Yeah, that
 makes sense. And then there's
 
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 well, I think it would be better
 
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 00:40:22,193 --> 00:40:25,014
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 what real developers do or
 
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 00:40:25,014 --> 00:40:27,983
 whatever. So I've got like those
 comments I'm like, okay, well
 
-874
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 00:40:27,983 --> 00:40:32,003
 you're an obviously not helpful.
-And so I just learned that, uh,
+And so I just learned that,
 
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 There's just those comments
 
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 00:40:33,558 --> 00:40:35,113
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 00:40:35,123 --> 00:40:38,923
 that people just have to, you
 know, just write things and
 
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 you're just like, okay, I'm just
 not going to waste my energy on
 
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 00:40:41,864 --> 00:40:46,003
 that. It's a, luckily I haven't
 had too many just absolutely
 
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 00:40:46,003 --> 00:40:49,063
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-with my programming writing,
+horrific things. at least with
+my programming writing,
 
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 00:40:49,094 --> 00:40:52,514
-there was only one incident, um,
+there was only one incident,
 that I had when I was running my
 
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 00:40:52,574 --> 00:40:54,254
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 was this guy that went out of
 
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 00:40:55,934 --> 00:41:01,054
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 race, racist memes and stuff on
 
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 00:41:01,054 --> 00:41:04,324
 my page and on my YouTube
 channel. And I, of course I had
 
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 00:41:04,324 --> 00:41:06,784
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 keep creating new accounts of
 
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 00:41:06,793 --> 00:41:08,723
-like, you're that threatened
+like, you're that threatened by
 what I'm doing, that you have to
 
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 spend
 
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 out there that just are that
 
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 00:41:12,918 --> 00:41:15,183
 hateful
 
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 00:41:15,813 --> 00:41:19,563
 that you just exist because of
 your race or your gender. And
 
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 00:41:19,653 --> 00:41:22,474
 it's just like, okay, you know,
 it's a it's, it's okay to be
 
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 00:41:22,474 --> 00:41:24,343
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-that and go, well, come on.
+human. Yeah. you know, feel that
+and go, well, come on.
 
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 00:41:24,343 --> 00:41:26,212
 Yeah.
 
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 00:41:26,244 --> 00:41:27,433
 But at the end of the day, you
 just have to remember like
 
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 00:41:27,433 --> 00:41:28,622
 that's
 
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 00:41:28,643 --> 00:41:30,548
 their issue, right. They they're
 just a hateful person. Is he
 
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 00:41:30,548 --> 00:41:32,453
 just
 
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 00:41:32,454 --> 00:41:34,673
 trying to block them and move
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+on? and, and just focus on
 
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 00:41:34,673 --> 00:41:36,892
 the
 
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 00:41:37,063 --> 00:41:38,658
 helpful, constructive feedback
 as well as the positive feedback
 
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 00:41:38,658 --> 00:41:40,253
 to,
 
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 to know that you're on the right
 track, you're doing the right
 
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 00:41:42,623 --> 00:41:42,744
-thing.
+thing there.
 
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 00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:46,313
 Bekah: Yeah, I really liked
 that. And that's for a long
 
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 00:41:46,313 --> 00:41:47,663
 time, I
 
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 00:41:47,693 --> 00:41:52,134
 stayed away from blogging on any
 platform except my own blog,
 
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 00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:55,929
 because I didn't have comments
 enabled. I couldn't see how many
 
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 00:41:55,929 --> 00:41:57,923
 people liked it, And I still
 frequently think about going
 
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 00:41:57,923 --> 00:41:59,917
 back
 
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 00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:02,408
 to that rather than cross
 posting other places that, that
 
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 00:42:02,408 --> 00:42:04,898
 have
 
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 00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:08,469
 those built-in things, because
 sometimes it can just, it can be
 
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 00:42:08,469 --> 00:42:10,719
 hard or you put a lot of time
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 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,969
 two
 
-916
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 00:42:12,969 --> 00:42:17,119
 people like it versus the thing
-that I, I YOLO'd on a Saturday
+that I, I YOLO'ed on a Saturday
 
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 00:42:17,139 --> 00:42:20,378
 night. And then there's all of
 these hits and like, what, what
 
-918
+963
 00:42:20,378 --> 00:42:21,248
-is this.
+is this?
 
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-00:42:22,059 --> 00:42:24,998
-Jessica: Yeah. I I've been there
-so many times both with like
+964
+00:42:22,059 --> 00:42:23,528
+Jessica: Yeah. I, I've been
+there so many times both with
 
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+00:42:23,528 --> 00:42:24,997
+like
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 00:42:24,998 --> 00:42:28,179
 writing technical articles then
 with sheet music where I'll
 
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 00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:31,239
 release a new product I'll be
 like, oh, this is good. Totally
 
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 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,766
 sell through. This is gonna be a
 hit. And then. The sales are
 
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 00:42:32,766 --> 00:42:34,293
 like
 
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 00:42:34,293 --> 00:42:38,134
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-misjudge that. And then I'll
+misjudged that. And then I'll
 
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 00:42:38,134 --> 00:42:40,773
 release another product then
 like, okay, this will do okay.
 
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 00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:42,963
 And then it ends up being a
 breakout. I'm like, what
 
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 00:42:42,963 --> 00:42:47,193
 happened? What did I misjudged?
 That it's the same thing with
 
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 00:42:47,193 --> 00:42:49,594
 writing where there'll be some
 articles. Actually, this just
 
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 00:42:49,594 --> 00:42:53,253
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 Replit articles, because I
 
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 00:42:53,253 --> 00:42:54,903
 decided to write those because
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+FreeCodeCamp up uses both of
 
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 00:42:54,903 --> 00:42:56,553
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 00:42:56,554 --> 00:42:59,998
-tools, um, in their
-certifications. There really
+tools, in their certifications.
+There really
 
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 00:42:59,998 --> 00:43:04,048
 should be a guide to help them
 since it's based on the course.
 
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 00:43:04,048 --> 00:43:05,398
 And I just thought, okay, well,
 few people write these.
 
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+981
 00:43:05,398 --> 00:43:06,748
 Hopefully
 
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+982
 00:43:06,748 --> 00:43:09,449
 they'll just refer to them. But
 then both of them were retweeted
 
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 00:43:09,478 --> 00:43:13,829
 by the co-founders and the CEO.
 And I'm like, okay, that was
 
-938
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 00:43:13,858 --> 00:43:15,659
 unexpected, but that's kind of
 cool.
 
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 00:43:17,081 --> 00:43:21,608
-Dan: Do you ever um, like doing
+Dan: Do you ever, like doing
 tech support comments, you know,
 
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 00:43:21,608 --> 00:43:24,409
 sections when you're writing
 technical articles,
 
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 00:43:24,409 --> 00:43:27,568
 Jessica: I do. Yeah. Yeah.
 Sometimes someone's like, oh, I
 
-942
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 00:43:27,568 --> 00:43:31,259
 tried this example from your
 article. It's not working. And
 
-943
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 00:43:31,259 --> 00:43:32,308
 I'm like, oh, could you write
 the code? It's sometimes it's
 
-944
+990
 00:43:32,308 --> 00:43:33,357
 hard.
 
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 00:43:33,358 --> 00:43:36,329
 Cause like Twitter and stuff,
 it's not really good for writing
 
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+992
 00:43:36,329 --> 00:43:37,319
 code, but I'm like, I don't
 know, just try your best or take
 
-947
+993
 00:43:37,319 --> 00:43:38,309
 a
 
-948
+994
 00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:41,429
 picture or something. then I'll
 say, oh, you have this syntax
 
-949
+995
 00:43:41,429 --> 00:43:43,739
 error right here. If you clean
 that up, that you should be good
 
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+996
 00:43:43,739 --> 00:43:47,829
 to go. It's a. Sometimes just
-kind of, uh, or actually this
+kind of, or actually this
 
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+997
 00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:50,679
-just happened to, with, uh, the
+just happened to, with, the
 NodeMailer article where they're
 
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 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,588
 like, oh, could you put this up
 on, GitHub repos so we could
 
-953
+999
 00:43:53,588 --> 00:43:55,688
 study it? And I was like, oh
 yeah, I should totally do that.
 
-954
+1000
 00:43:55,688 --> 00:43:57,773
 Cause I had just posted the
 final code in the article. and
 
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 00:43:57,773 --> 00:43:59,858
 without
 
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+1002
 00:43:59,858 --> 00:44:03,548
 thinking, like people would want
-to study it and uh, you know,
+to study it and, you know,
 
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 00:44:03,548 --> 00:44:06,068
 fork it and all this fun stuff.
 I was like, oh yeah, we should
 
-958
+1004
 00:44:06,068 --> 00:44:10,088
 probably do that. So I created a
-GitHub repository and then, uh,
+GitHub repository and then,
 
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+1005
 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:11,768
-just shared it with that. But
+just shared it with them. But
 sometimes I'll kind of
 
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+1006
 00:44:11,768 --> 00:44:14,018
 troubleshoot with them as best
-as possible. My questions are
+as possible. but sometimes
 
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+1007
 00:44:14,018 --> 00:44:16,268
-vague.
+their questions are vague.
 
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 00:44:16,298 --> 00:44:19,719
 I'm like, I'm not really sure
 what you're working with unless
 
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+1009
 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,838
 we like together on some sort of
 zoom meet, but I don't know how
 
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+1010
 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,369
 feasible that is, but
 
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 00:44:26,273 --> 00:44:27,833
 Bekah: yeah. that doesn't scale.
 Well, I think.
 
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 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,518
-Dan: Uh, what about, so you
+Dan: What about, so you
 mentioned like code stuff like
 
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+1013
 00:44:33,518 --> 00:44:38,409
-that. kind of, um, I dunno
-process, or I guess I'm looking
+that. kind of, I dunno process,
+or I guess I'm looking
 
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 00:44:38,409 --> 00:44:43,313
 for advice generally. if, you if
-if your, uh,article Involves a
+if your, article Involves a
 
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 00:44:43,313 --> 00:44:45,473
 lot of code and stuff like that.
-Do you try to, um, like things
+Do you try to, like break things
 
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 00:44:45,473 --> 00:44:47,633
 up
 
-971
-00:44:47,634 --> 00:44:51,204
+1017
+00:44:47,634 --> 00:44:49,419
 into little bits or make a link
-to Like, you know, like you
+to a repository Like, you know,
 
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+00:44:49,419 --> 00:44:51,204
+like you
+
+1019
 00:44:51,204 --> 00:44:53,574
-mentioned, uh, what, what kind
-of, of approaches do you take
+mentioned, what, what kind of,
+of approaches do you take
 
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+1020
 00:44:53,574 --> 00:44:56,213
-with, uh, w with technical
-articles and with
+with, w with technical articles
+and with examples
 
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 00:44:56,994 --> 00:44:58,568
 Jessica: Yeah. So for some of
 the examples they're really
 
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+1022
 00:44:58,568 --> 00:45:00,142
 small,
 
-976
+1023
 00:45:00,143 --> 00:45:04,494
-like I just wrote one about, um,
+like I just wrote one about,
 JavaScript contains or includes
 
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+1024
 00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:07,704
-method. Um, and so those were
-like really, really small, um,
+method. and so those were like
+really, really small,
 
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 00:45:07,824 --> 00:45:09,443
-uh, code examples in there. But
-then one of my other articles
+code examples in there. But then
+one of my other articles
 
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+1026
 00:45:09,443 --> 00:45:11,062
 was
 
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+1027
 00:45:11,063 --> 00:45:13,568
 on the MVC pattern. And so I
 kind of had to struggle with how
 
-981
+1028
 00:45:13,568 --> 00:45:16,073
 much
 
-982
+1029
 00:45:16,074 --> 00:45:18,864
 code am I going to include in
 this? Cause I built an app
 
-983
+1030
 00:45:18,864 --> 00:45:22,518
 specifically to talk about that
 pattern. But I thought, okay, is
 
-984
+1031
 00:45:22,518 --> 00:45:25,969
 this going to be a full
 walkthrough tutorial, or am I
 
-985
+1032
 00:45:25,969 --> 00:45:29,449
 just going to give out chunks of
 it? So it ended up working where
 
-986
+1033
 00:45:29,449 --> 00:45:33,384
 I said, okay, it's fine. If they
-do. Work with that particular
+don't. Work with that particular
 
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+1034
 00:45:33,384 --> 00:45:35,543
 stack that I was working with
-and I was working with the burn
+and I was working with the MERN
 
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 00:45:35,543 --> 00:45:38,664
 stack, but if I could just talk
 about the concepts and just have
 
-989
+1036
 00:45:38,664 --> 00:45:40,268
 a few snippets of code and say,
 this is what this code does.
 
-990
+1037
 00:45:40,268 --> 00:45:41,872
 Even
 
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+1038
 00:45:41,873 --> 00:45:44,994
 if you're not a JavaScript
 developer, at least they can,
 
-992
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 00:45:45,023 --> 00:45:48,384
 there's some context. And I had
 the final, project there that
 
-993
+1040
 00:45:48,384 --> 00:45:51,503
 they could look at and say, oh,
 okay, that's what she's doing
 
-994
+1041
 00:45:51,503 --> 00:45:54,173
 here. And so sometimes you'll
 you just want to have like these
 
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+1042
 00:45:54,173 --> 00:45:56,364
 small little code examples
 sometimes it's totally fine to
 
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 00:45:56,364 --> 00:45:58,669
 just link to a repository if
 it's super super long. cause
 
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+1044
 00:45:58,669 --> 00:46:00,974
 then
 
-998
+1045
 00:46:01,034 --> 00:46:04,034
 there's that battle between
 length and it's like, how much
 
-999
+1046
 00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:08,173
 are people really gonna read? If
 it's super, super long, there's
 
-1000
+1047
 00:46:08,173 --> 00:46:09,718
 not too many, really long
-articles on freeCodeCamp.
+articles on FreeCodeCamp.
 
-1001
+1048
 00:46:09,718 --> 00:46:11,263
 There's
 
-1002
+1049
 00:46:11,264 --> 00:46:14,474
 a few that are like at 7,000
 plus words. I personally haven't
 
-1003
+1050
 00:46:14,474 --> 00:46:17,331
 written any of those. but I
 think my longest is 20 I think
 
-1004
+1051
 00:46:17,331 --> 00:46:20,188
 my
 
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+1052
 00:46:20,188 --> 00:46:21,838
 longest was 3000, but that ended
 up just listing off all the
 
-1006
+1053
 00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:23,488
 types
 
-1007
+1054
 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:25,784
 of like free courses you could
-take. but, uh, yeah, I try to
+take. but, yeah, I try to
 
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 00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:28,079
 hit
 
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+1056
 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:32,789
 that magic mark of like 1500, a
 thousand words or less. I mean,
 
-1010
+1057
 00:46:32,789 --> 00:46:35,009
 if there's only so much, you
 could write about some of these
 
-1011
+1058
 00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:38,849
 methods where it's like, I can't
 write 1500 words on the includes
 
-1012
+1059
 00:46:38,849 --> 00:46:41,248
 method for JavaScript. There's
 only so much you could do there
 
-1013
+1060
 00:46:42,208 --> 00:46:42,449
 that.
 
-1014
-00:46:43,403 --> 00:46:44,828
-Dan: Oh, a good note. I mean,
-and that's also an interesting
+1061
+00:46:43,403 --> 00:46:44,115
+Dan: Oh, that's a good note. I
+mean, and that's also an
 
-1015
+1062
+00:46:44,115 --> 00:46:44,827
+interesting
+
+1063
 00:46:44,828 --> 00:46:46,253
 thing
 
-1016
+1064
 00:46:46,253 --> 00:46:52,539
-to like of, you know, um,
-writing, you. If you could feel
+to like of, you know, writing,
+do you. If you could feel
 
-1017
+1065
 00:46:52,539 --> 00:46:55,329
 yourself getting like too long,
 you know, it, do you try to cut
 
-1018
+1066
 00:46:55,329 --> 00:46:57,309
 down or do you about splitting
 it up, but, you I suppose it
 
-1019
+1067
 00:46:57,309 --> 00:46:59,289
 depends
 
-1020
+1068
 00:46:59,289 --> 00:47:03,668
 on what platform you're on or
 Code Camp or not, or, you know,
 
-1021
+1069
 00:47:03,668 --> 00:47:05,268
 but generally
 
-1022
+1070
 00:47:05,548 --> 00:47:05,728
 Jessica: right. Cause
 
-1023
+1071
 00:47:05,798 --> 00:47:06,159
 Dan: you know,
 
-1024
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 00:47:06,344 --> 00:47:08,953
 Jessica: I just joined dev.to,
 week ago and, or I think I
 
-1025
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 00:47:08,953 --> 00:47:11,562
 joined
 
-1026
+1074
 00:47:11,563 --> 00:47:16,184
 a while for Nick's VS Code tips,
 and then just hadn't used it for
 
-1027
+1075
 00:47:16,184 --> 00:47:19,643
 awhile then, like rejoined, I
-guess. uh, for the NodeMailer
+guess. and for the NodeMailer
 
-1028
+1076
 00:47:19,664 --> 00:47:22,833
 article, I was like, oh, Well, I
 have these ideas about how to
 
-1029
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 00:47:22,833 --> 00:47:24,888
-style the emails and how to, uh,
-actually, uh, you know, deploy
+style the emails and how to,
+actually, you know, deploy
 
-1030
+1078
 00:47:24,888 --> 00:47:26,943
 it
 
-1031
+1079
 00:47:26,943 --> 00:47:28,068
 to Heroku. But maybe we could
 just break that up. That could
 
-1032
+1080
 00:47:28,068 --> 00:47:29,193
 be
 
-1033
+1081
 00:47:29,193 --> 00:47:30,933
 a separate article. And I like
-how in-depth too, you can link
+how in DEV.to, you can link
 
-1034
+1082
 00:47:30,933 --> 00:47:32,673
 to
 
-1035
+1083
 00:47:32,673 --> 00:47:35,014
 like, create your own little
 series and it will link all the
 
-1036
+1084
 00:47:35,014 --> 00:47:38,224
 articles together. so sometimes
 when you're writing something,
 
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 you're like, huh, I have these
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 like, this is part one. And then
 this is part two and stick
 
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 think that's totally fine. Just
 
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 so it doesn't become this
 monster article. It's like, ah,
 
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 Everybody. It's the same thing
 with videos. I think some of the
 
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-videos are super long and some
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+these channels
 
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 somebody's going to sit through
 
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 17 hours or is that one of those
 things where you just got to
 
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 break it up into smaller bite
 size videos. but I guess
 
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 everybody has their own learning
 methods. So maybe there are
 
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 hour video or, you know, 7,000.
 
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-livestream for freeCodeCamp. And
+livestream for FreeCodeCamp. And
 
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 sometimes he would do it for
 hours and people would stay the
 
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 some like, yeah. I'm just like,
 
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 wow, how
 
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 hour for the first time ever,
 
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 probably by myself. I was tired
 of hearing myself talk, like, I
 
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 can't imagine how everybody else
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-Bekah: my attention span to die.
-And then I, then I start YOLOing
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+Bekah: my attention span starts
+to die. And then I, then I start
 
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+
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 things and it's, it's not, not
 the place I want to be
 
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 actually that reminds me, Danny
 
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 Thompson is one where he has
 these really long Twitter
 
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 but they're really good. So
 that's why he kind of is able to
 
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 most people. They would kind of
 
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 an hour, sometimes he'll go for
 
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 then there's still like hundreds
 
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-wow, that's kudos to him then.
+wow, that's kudos to him there.
 
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 voice training for some or
 
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 even when I used to teach night
 
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 having conversation and by the
 
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 and like I am done, I, I did
 
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 have to do it in this different
 way. And then you'll be fine.
 
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 exercise your muscle. Like, ah,
 I know that's a lot. I mean, I
 
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 think it's the same thing for
 writing too. It's it's a muscle
 
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 that you have to exercise. So I
 imagine, I mean, you're writing
 
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 time and learning things, but
 
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 has
 
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 the writing process gotten
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 more of like a game plan on how
 
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 I'm going to enter into an
 article. And so I usually like
 
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 I'm probably going to edit it
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 the meat of the article and kind
 
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 part, then I can go through and
 come up with a really good
 
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 introductory paragraph and a
 conclusion there I try to focus
 
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-all my intention, uh, you know,
-just writing the main parts. And
+all my intention, you know, just
+writing the main parts. And
 
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 sometimes I just do like a free
 write. Throw words on the page
 
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 and of them make it some of
 them, I cut out sections. I'm
 
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 like, I
 
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 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:38,748
 don't know what this was. I
 mean, that just happened with
 
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 00:50:38,748 --> 00:50:40,457
 the
 
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+1151
 00:50:40,458 --> 00:50:42,168
 article a few weeks ago on how
 to create tables and SQL. And
 
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 00:50:42,168 --> 00:50:43,878
 some
 
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 00:50:43,878 --> 00:50:47,208
 of those sections of like, why
 this doesn't make any sense. I
 
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 don't know why this, I thought
 this was relevant, but I was
 
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 just
 
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 throwing words on the page. I'm
 like, oh, I should talk about
 
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 this. And then I read it back.
 No, I shouldn't have talked
 
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 00:50:56,873 --> 00:50:59,784
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+she doesn't have to look at it
 
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+
+1163
 00:51:05,693 --> 00:51:06,773
 go, what is this?
 
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 Dan: There's one of the benefits
-of the medium, right? Is do you
+of the writing medium, right? Is
 
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 00:51:10,864 --> 00:51:14,733
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 and things out that don't make
 
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 streamer, something things to
 
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 get
 
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 00:51:20,494 --> 00:51:20,914
 out there?
 
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 Bekah: the expectation of live
 streaming, so
 
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 00:51:23,474 --> 00:51:23,914
-Dan: for sure.
+Dan: no, for sure.
 
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-Bekah: acceptable thing. Um, I
-can't remember what to say. Oh,
+Bekah: acceptable thing. I can't
+remember what I was to say. Oh,
 
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 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:33,626
 I
 
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 00:51:33,626 --> 00:51:36,539
-know what I was gonna say. Um,
-Rough drafts are so important.
+know what I was gonna say. Rough
+drafts are so important.
 
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 I,
 
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 and I think that it's worth it
 to point out that there's a
 
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 that you get better at that
 process. And you have a rough
 
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 draft. The first time it is a
 process and it does take time.
 
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-You know, just listening to you
-talk about tech, Jessica, you
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+00:51:55,097 --> 00:51:57,151
+But You know, just listening to
+you talk about tech, Jessica,
 
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+you
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 00:51:59,237 --> 00:52:04,967
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+communicate it so well that it's
 really, I feel like I learned a
 
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 lot just hearing you talk about
 these things. And so you can
 
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 really appreciate that process
 of learning and then, and how it
 
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 impacts the way that you talk
 about things. And I imagine it,
 
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 that goes into interviewing and
-stuff like that. Because you
+stuff like that. Because if you
 
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 00:52:18,991 --> 00:52:21,046
 talk
 
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 00:52:21,047 --> 00:52:22,797
 with credibility, then people
-are more likely to. Um, see you
+are more likely to. see you
 
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 as a
 
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 Jessica: Yeah, Yeah. And that's
 the thing is that want to come
 
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 across as, how can I add value
 to the company or organization
 
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 00:52:31,187 --> 00:52:33,077
 if
 
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 00:52:33,077 --> 00:52:36,166
 you come across as I just really
 need a job? Well, the company's
 
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 00:52:36,166 --> 00:52:37,546
 not really hiring you because
 you need a job. Like they're
 
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 00:52:37,546 --> 00:52:38,926
 hiring
 
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 00:52:38,927 --> 00:52:40,727
 you because they need people to
 join their team and add value.
 
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 00:52:40,727 --> 00:52:42,527
 if
 
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 00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:45,376
 you come in and say, here's how
 I can add value to you, then
 
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 00:52:45,376 --> 00:52:48,347
 they'll listen. And I think
 that's just coming in with a
 
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 00:52:48,347 --> 00:52:51,291
 little bit of confidence. Will
 go a long way there.
 
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 00:52:53,206 --> 00:52:55,111
 Bekah: Yeah, absolutely. So
 we're at about time here, but
 
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 are there
 
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 any last tips that you have for
 our listeners about getting,
 
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 started with writing?
 
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-Jessica: Um, I think just the
-best tip is just, get started. I
+Jessica: I think just the best
+tip is just, get started. I
 
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 think a lot of people
 procrastinate because they're
 
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 like, I don't know what to write
 about. I don't know what to do.
 
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 00:53:13,006 --> 00:53:13,906
 I
 
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 don't know how to get started.
 get started and just start
 
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 00:53:17,416 --> 00:53:19,936
 working from there. And you can
 always ask for feedback within
 
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 your community and say, Hey, I'm
 writing this article. I dunno
 
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 00:53:21,406 --> 00:53:22,876
 how
 
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 00:53:22,876 --> 00:53:27,496
 it really works it yet, or it
-needs some help, but, uh, don't
+needs some help, but, don't
 
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+wait for the perfect momnet. To
+get started writing. to just
 
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 writing, to start throwing some
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 creating
 
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-Bekah: Awesome. you so much for
-being here with us today. This
+1223
+00:53:39,271 --> 00:53:40,246
+Bekah: Awesome. thank you so
+much for being here with us
 
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+today. This
+
+1225
 00:53:41,221 --> 00:53:43,171
-is
+is really great
 
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 Dan: Yeah.
 
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 00:53:43,652 --> 00:53:46,771
 Bekah: to hear you talk about
 this and your journey. You have
 
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 00:53:46,771 --> 00:53:49,592
 so many fascinating things, and
 I'm really glad that we got to
 
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 00:53:49,592 --> 00:53:50,311
 hear them today.
 
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 Jessica: Yeah. Well, Thank you,
 so much for having me.
 
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 Dan: Yeah. Thank you, Jessica. I
 appreciate it.
 
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 Bekah: Okay, bye.
 
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+1233
+00:53:56,851 --> 00:53:57,000
 Jessica: Bye.
 
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+Dan: Bye.
+
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 this episode of the Virtual
 
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 produced by Dan Ott and Bekah
 
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 Hawrot Weigel, and was edited by
 Andy Bonjour at GoodDay
 
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