Allow bots to change member Avatars like Nicknames #3905
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Honestly, I don't like this being a nitro-bound feature per user. It should be part of server-level nitro boosts and getting to level 1. Use Case: Communities dedicated to a specific game But, this is only useful if it's a server-based thing, and not dependent on the user. Discord needs to think about how to make money, sure, but should also support the needs of gaming communities at an equal level since that's definitely the origins of Discord. I highly doubt this one post will ever make you guys change this, simply because of the revenue stream, but I'm really disappointed that I can't do this at a server level with the API and would like to see it this way. |
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Well, it doesn't have to be one or the other. For example, larger file uploads are available for all nitro users as well as all members in boosted servers. |
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Didn't actually realize uploading could go either way. I don't do a lot of uploading or am in any servers that care to use it that much. That would be an awesome solution as well. |
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To be honest I could care less about Discord making a profit. I think people on this forum are way too concerned about Discord losing out on precious dollars, despite most of the people not being venture capitalists or having a stake in Discord. As is evidenced by the numerous down votes. Ultimately as Discord puts more features behind a paywall, they lose on community goodwill, which I think will hurt the company in the long run. However, the main problem I see with the server avatars is a bot changing them to something inappropriate or NSFW, and would cause serious problems if abused. Accounts can be terminated at the moment for using NSFW in profile pictures, so that's how it is different from a nickname. |
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Contrary to popular opinion, Discord does need to make money in order to sustain the platform. I'm not sure if you are aware of how much hosting costs at scale, but let me tell you its a surprisingly large number, and that's not even including payroll. Venture capitalists and angel investors can only carry you so far. As much as I would like for nitro to not be a thing and everyone have access to it all, this is unfortunately not possible. Either we have some gated features, or discord starts selling our data. I think I'd take the first. That being said, I think we are intertwining several things here. As for the crux of this discussion: |
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@NovaFox161 Thanks for that. I am completely aware Discord needs money to sustain the platform and the costs, however as I mentioned it's basically out of scope of what these discussions are supposed to be about. Might as well leave those discussions for people who are bankrolling Discord or have some sort of financial stake in the company, which I'm guessing is nobody here. When I was referring to venture capitalists, I was saying that financial discussions should be left to those sorts of people, and not some sort of argument that Discord is flush with cash. As to why I said that Discord could lose some goodwill over time, it's because they have been adding more and more features that are paywalled, even for those who pay for Nitro. This loss of goodwill could translate into loss of dollars over time, but again ultimately that's not the problem of the people here. |
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Many Eve Online Discord servers use the nickname changing feature to align users with their characters in game. If we were to lose that because "bots changing things is beyond their scope", it would be a huge detriment to our communities and the cyber-security we employ. Eve Online isn't like other games, it's highly dependent on technology from it's user base. And, technology can also be used to solve the NSFW problems that are being proposed that probably are not so hard to fix with modern AI tech. Interesting the one person who says that gets down-voted. No notable bots are going to willy-nilly change user's profile pics to NSFW. If that were known, they would get de-listed so fast. And if it was found out the administrators of a server were using a bot to assign NSFW pics, they would also get found out really fast. I doubt they'd risk their servers. So where exactly do we expect NSFW pictures, to be automatically assigned to people's profiles by bots, to come from? |
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@seraphx2 Essentially what I am saying is that with a feature like Discord would be putting a lot of trust into bot creators to use it for legitimate purposes, and given that pretty much anyone can make a bot right now, I don't think it's a good idea. The current paradigm shift towards trusting bots less is good, for example with the message intent. Although bot devs complain about things like that a lot, it is necessary. |
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The fact that discord based scams are so successful is proof that people on the platform at large cannot be trusted OR would not be able to easily recognize if a bot is "legit" or not. Maybe they'll make it available in a privileged way, but as it stands discord has their reasons for not allowing it and appear to have no plans to change this anytime soon |
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I don't think bots/admins should be able to change avatars of other members, but I did suggest that bots should be able to change their own avatar here. |
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But it's my server. And their avatar on my server is not the same as their personal avatar for their account. I am only speaking to the new per-server functionality. |
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My honest opinion is you take away that one thing where people can customize their own appearance/identity with this, people actually spend money to be able to do this and you want to take that away from them??? On the point of nicknames on your guild, a bot can change the nickname of all roles below it (it will be never able to change the owner's nickname) |
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I don't have an opinion on the feature request itself, but the first point you have doesn't make sense. People pay for being able to post external emojis and stickers yet there are permissions that can revoke their access. |
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We are talking about a profile avatar and not external emotes or avatars... This can be set by a user in their profile per guild... |
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And if they don't like it, they can leave the server. The server belongs to person running it, not the users. Discord servers aren't run by democracy. I am not talking about changing their actual pfp associated with their account. Just the one on a server I run. |
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This discussion board is for API suggestions; product suggestions should go to our feedback site so that the appropriate teams have visibility on them 😄 EDIT: In response to a few questions I got, the above is specifically for moving per-server avatars into a boost perk as opposed to a nitro perk. For a discussion on Bots being able to change per server avatars or set their own, other discussions exist and remain open (for instance, #3881) |
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I guess maybe I shouldn't have used the word Bot in the title? This is an API request, I guess I just assumed since I was in the API discussion and I mentioned the ability to change nicknames and was also wanting the ability to change avatars (the exact way the API currently functions, it can't change avatars), that it was assumed it was an API feature request since the API is how bots interact with Discord. |
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Could you edit your initial post to clarify that then and drop the nitro vs boost points? |
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I think the reason why people go here is the feedback forums get flooded with suggestions, and these discussions seem to get a lot more staff engagement. |
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Not just suggestions, but the Dreamland/Feedback page is also flooded with Support Requests and Reports, basically a lot of people mistake it for a Support Forum rather than a Suggestions page :S |
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Let's stay on topic :) @seraphx2 I'm going to mark this as the answer again, feel free to unmark it once the original post is updated to remove the product requests! |
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This discussion board is for API suggestions; product suggestions should go to our feedback site so that the appropriate teams have visibility on them 😄
EDIT: In response to a few questions I got, the above is specifically for moving per-server avatars into a boost perk as opposed to a nitro perk. For a discussion on Bots being able to change per server avatars or set their own, other discussions exist and remain open (for instance, #3881)