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I've been thinking about this a bit, and i believe a new layer (
Channels could combine all |
A good first step might be to move the transaction management code from |
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The current version of the HTTP/2 spec terrifies me, think we'll wait with this as long as we can. |
I believe the original |
The HTTP/1 upgrade mechanism can be ignored completely, browser vendors are not going to implement that (Firefox and Chrome have confirmed this in the working group), only valid handshake for negotiating HTTP/2 will be TLS with ALPN/NPN. So |
Working Group Last Call. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2014JulSep/1563.html |
We need more volunteers to work on this. |
I can help! |
The plans i've outlined above were a bit too ambitious, that extra layer of abstraction is not really necessary. I think a good first step would be to start with a prototype, using an existing implementation of the HTTP/2 protocol (perhaps Protocol::HTTP2). Then the focus can be on getting protocol negotiation right, with NPN/ALPN in I'm actually not too concerned about the actual protocol implementation, that seems pretty straight forward, and more about the integration into our existing architecture. |
Since browsers like Chrome already support HTTP/2, i think a good first milestone would be to add NPN/ALPN support to |
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I don't familiar with Mojo internals, but i tried to implement glue code https://github.com/vlet/mojo/tree/vlet/http2-hacks |
@vlet Thanks, that's a pretty decent proof of concept. The PSGI step should be avoided though, and the response might not be available right after the |
Up ;) Would be great to have this implemented :) |
This feature depends on #876. |
This feature also depends on #888. |
Perhaps I'm naive, but I feel like if Mojolicious was first or among the first to release HTTP/2 support that it might help it to gain some attention and even many more new users. |
Sadly we are already pretty far behind with this. |
Honestly, i think unless we find a sponsor for this feature, it will take a very long time to get it production ready. |
I imagine this might become a bigger topic once there are HTTP/2 only servers on the web, and folks want to access them with |
What is needed from a sponsor? I don't have a ton of connections but I'd be happy to spread the word as best I can, as I already do for Mojolicious. Everyone in St. Louis, MO, USA is at least now aware that Mojolicious exists and is the greatest thing since sliced bread. :D I'd also like to get my employer involved, so there's that... Is there anything more that a sponsor can do than provide money? How much money? What is the process for this? Is there perhaps a not-for-profit entity for the purpose of tax deductible contributions (in the USA and/or otherwise)? I could look into establishing a not-for-profit organization in the USA if interested, I'm unaware at this point what the requirements of it are. What would be the timeline to release a first version of this branch? |
Realistically, i think it would take a good full-time programmer between 6 and 12 months to finish this feature. Currently there is no formal process, but if one or more interested companies step up, i'm sure we can change that pretty quickly. There are a few milestones to reach, 1) protocols like HTTP/1.1 and WebSockets need to become pluggable (#876), 2) we need ALPN protocol negotiation (#888), 3) proof of concept implementation of the HTTP/2 protocol with an existing CPAN module like Protocol::HTTP2, 4) optimized custom implementation of the HTTP/2 protocol, 5) advanced features such as stream prioritization and server push. |
After the very successful hackathon last weekend, i think 6 months is a very realistic timeframe. |
👍 Thanks for the links! |
I would be happy to sponsor some dev time towards this. |
We do not have anyone from the core team working on this though, and need volunteers. My current estimate for reaching milestone 4 with a full-time programmer would be 2-3 months. |
In the meantime, you can of course deploy Mojolicious applications with a reverse proxy that supports HTTP/2, such as NGINX. https://www.nginx.com/blog/nginx-1-9-5/ |
Good Perl bindings for nghttp2 would also help a lot with this feature. |
Is anyone working on the proof of concept implementation? What does it involve? How do I start? |
The RFC8030 "Web Push" protocol (to send notifications to devices even while browsers are not necessarily running) is one of the first that is starting to require HTTP/2 for at least part of its implementation:
If receipt messages are not required, then it should theoretically be possible to implement Web Push using just HTTP/1.1. However, the protocol requires a server known to the user agent, with defaults for those builtin to user agents; at some point it's going to be reasonable to assume for those servers that no application server is ever going to talk to them that doesn't support HTTP/2, and then this becomes a hard dependency. |
Been some time since we last updated this issue. I think the approach with channels was wrong, and should be abandoned. Instead it might be better to start from the low level side, and create a few Mojo::IOLoop::Stream subclasses with code extracted from
Big advantage of that approach is that those classes can be implemented parallel to everything we have now, usable and testable on their own. And once they work we can just reimplement Regarding the API, there are many options and i'm open to all suggestions, but to give you an idea for how it could look here's a Mojo::IOLoop->server({port => 8080, stream_class => 'Mojo::IOLoop::Stream::HTTPServer'} => sub {
my ($loop, $stream) = @_;
$stream->on(request => sub {
my ($steam, $tx) = @_;
my $method = $tx->req->method;
my $path = $tx->req->url->path;
$tx->res->code(200);
$tx->res->headers->content_type('text/plain');
$tx->res->body("$method request for $path!");
$tx->resume;
});
}); And one for my $tx = Mojo::UserAgent::Transactor->new->tx(GET => 'http://mojolicious.org');
$tx->on(finish => sub {
my $tx = shift;
say $tx->res->code;
});
Mojo::IOLoop->client({port => 8080, stream_class => 'Mojo::IOLoop::Stream::HTTPClient'} => sub {
my ($loop, $err, $stream) = @_;
$stream->process($tx);
}); The server is a lot easier than the client, so it would make sense to start there. How exactly the WebSocket upgrade is supposed to work, i'm not sure yet, but that can be added later, once HTTP works. |
I've just started work on this :) |
Thanks to #1227 we've made a big leap forward. HTTP/2 support can now be developed separately from |
ALPN is now also very easy to use with |
And just a quick reminder. If anyone here decides to implement |
Unfortunately the addition of stream classes caused big problems and had to be reverted. 61f6cbf Hopefully there will be another attempt with less race conditions and a clearer connection life cycle. |
I guess we might as well skip HTTP/2 now and implement HTTP/3 instead. 😆 Edit: Some people did not get that this was a joke. It was. |
Time for an update. The landscape has changed a bit and we now know that HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 are mostly pointless for our web server. So it would make sense to focus on |
Should the http/2 support respect the proxy settings at IO::Socket using nghttp2? |
If there are multiple solutions then i'd always be in favour of the one that results in the simplest code. |
The final HTTP/2 spec is still at least 1-2 years away, but now that the first draft (based on SPDY) has been released, i believe we can at least start planning our implementation.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-00
While details like the upgrade mechanism from HTTP/1.1 and mandatory TLS encryption are very likely to change, major features like multiplexing are pretty much a given, and will require some refactoring in Mojolicious.
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