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### SCP-031: Ensure reachability of Scala websites
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The text of the Lukas and Seth's proposal is here:
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The text of Lukas and Seth's proposal is here:
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* [SCP-031](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/proposals/031-scala-websites-vpn.md)
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# Minutes of the 33rd meeting of the Scala Center, Q3 2024
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Minutes are [archived](https://scala.epfl.ch/records.html) on the
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Scala Center website.
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## Summary
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The meeting took place towards the end of Q3, so we considered it to
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be a combined meeting (with a combined report) covering both Q2 and
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Q3.
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Center activities for the past two quarters focused on maintaining
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and improving Scala 3, the adoption of Scala CLI as the new
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`scala` command, the WebAssembly backend for Scala.js, the
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Scala Improvement Process, the Scala Toolkit, the Metals debugger,
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Scaladex, sbt 2, documentation, Google Summer of Code, compiler
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sprees, fundraising, and more.
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Details are below and in the Center's activity report:
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* [report](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2024-Q2-Q3-activity-report.html)
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Two new proposals were received:
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* [SCP-032](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/proposals/032-scala-version-guidance.md): Provide guidance on choosing between Scala LTS and Next
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* [SCP-033](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/proposals/033-deprecate-scala-ide.md): Deprecate Eclipse Scala IDE
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Both proposals were accepted by the board (and both were later
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completed, in October).
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Other topics covered included the long-term future of the Center.
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## Date, Time and Location
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The meeting took place at EPFL over two full days: Thursday and
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Friday, September 5-6, 2024.
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Minutes were taken by Seth Tisue (secretary) with the aid of
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Valérie Meillaud (Scala Center).
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## Attendees
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Officers:
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* Chris Kipp (chairperson)
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* Darja Jovanovic (executive director), EPFL
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* Sébastien Doeraene (interim technical director), EPFL
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* Martin Odersky (technical advisor), EPFL
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* Seth Tisue (secretary), Lightbend
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Board members:
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* Zainab Ali, community representative
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* Krzysztof Romanowski, VirtusLab (substituting for Krzysztof Borowski)
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* Dmitrii Naumenko, JetBrains
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* Lukas Rytz, Lightbend
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* Daniela Sfregola, Morgan Stanley
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Guests:
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* James Belsey, Morgan Stanley
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* Damian Mazurkiewicz, SiriusXM
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* Valérie Meillaud, Scala Center
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Apologies:
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* Eugene Yokota, community representative
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## Introduction
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This special in-person meeting lasted two full days.
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## Technical report
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Seb, as interim technical director, summarized Scala Center activities
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since the last meeting. His remarks were based on the Center's more
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detailed Q2+Q3 quarterly activity report:
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* [report](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2024-Q2-Q3-activity-report.html)
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And the Center's Q4 roadmap:
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* [roadmap](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2024-Q4-roadmap.html)
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The following notes do not repeat the contents of the report and
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roadmap, but only supplement them.
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An officer asked if there are still still two Bloops; Seb said no,
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that work is now completed on re-merging the fork that Scala CLI had
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been using.
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There was some discussion about IntelliJ support for Scala-CLI.
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(There is already some, and it is expected to improve. One particular
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area that hadn't been addressed yet at meeting time was folders
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full of independent scripts.)
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A board member asked if build pipelining would be enabled by default
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in sbt. Seb said perhaps eventually, but they aren't sufficiently
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confident in the quality yet.
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An officer asked who's running SIP (the Scala Improvement Process)
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now, with Toli having left the Center. It's Dimi Racordon from
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Martin's lab now; the web page will be updated to reflect that.
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A board member asked if there is a timeline when the first sbt 2 beta
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is expected. Seb said first half of 2025 is plausible but later in the
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year is likelier. There was some inconclusive discussion about the
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status of the build caching feature and whether that should be
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considered a blocker.
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A board member asked about whether sbt plugins will be able to
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cross-compile for sbt 1 and sbt 2, or whether they'd have to branch.
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Seb said cross-compiling will be supported.
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There was some discussion about adoption of Scala 3 at a company with
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a significant number of Scala developers. They are now using Scala 3
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features heavily, not just compiling old 2 code with the 3 compiler.
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It was emphasized that good IntelliJ support is of critical
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importance.
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### Scala 2 report
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This was presented by Lukas.
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Lukas said that the main themes are still aligning with Scala 3,
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warnings and lints especially under `-Xsource:3`. Some improvements
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shipped in 2.13.14, further changes coming in 2.13.15.
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[SIP-51](https://docs.scala-lang.org/sips/drop-stdlib-forwards-bin-compat.html),
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Seth noted that 2.13.15 didn't break forward bincompat yet but 2.13.16
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might. (In the end, it got pushed off to 2.13.17.)
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## Community report
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This section was led by Zainab. (Eugene was unable to attend.)
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Discussion centered on meetups and hack days (or "sprees"),
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including how the pandemic set meetups and conferences back
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severely, and how recovery has been progressing.
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## SCP-032: Provide guidance on choosing between Scala LTS and Next
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The text of Zainab's proposal is here:
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* [SCP-032](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/proposals/032-scala-version-guidance.md): Provide guidance on choosing between Scala LTS and Next
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Discussion was brief, since the board sees the need, but there wasn't
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yet a draft text available to give feedback on.
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We neglected to hold a formal vote after the discussion, but we
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confirmed with the board afterwards that the proposal should be
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considered accepted by acclaim.
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(Later, in October 2024, the proposal was considered completed with
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the publication of [this
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## SCP-033: Deprecate Eclipse Scala IDE
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The text of Zainab's proposal is here:
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* [SCP-033](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/proposals/033-deprecate-scala-ide.md): Deprecate Eclipse Scala IDE
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The proposal was discussed by the board. An officer asked what the old
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site would redirect to. Seth said that scala-lang.org will soon have a
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new page dedicated specifically to Scala IDEs (namely IntelliJ and
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Metals) and the site will redirect to that.
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We neglected to hold a formal vote after the discussion, but we
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confirmed with the board afterwards that the proposal should be
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considered accepted by acclaim.
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(Later, in October 2024, the proposal was considered completed.)
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## Management report
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Darja began by reflecting on the Center's experiences over the past
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eight years, both its successes and accomplishments, and things that
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might change over the next eight years. She also updated the board on
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the budget situation and in-progress fundraising efforts.
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Discussion ensued about the Center's role, mission, structure, and
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long-term future.
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One theme that emerged was a desire for the Center to improve
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communication about everything going on under the Scala umbrella, not
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just at the Center itself, but also at LAMP, Akka, VirtusLab, and our
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collaborators. (After the meeting, this discussion led to the creation
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of new "Scala Highlights" newsletter; the [first
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issue](https://www.scala-lang.org/highlights/2025/02/06/highlights-2024.html)
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was published in February 2025.)
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There was also discussion about the Center's plans to revive Scala
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Days in 2025. (Later, after the meeting, plans were finalized and
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[August 2025 dates were
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announced](https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2025/02/18/announcing-scala-days-2025.html).)
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## Conclusion
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The next meeting will be held online in January 2025 (or February, if
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### Board meeting minutes
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- [February 5, 2025 - Thirty-Fourth SC Advisory Board Meeting](/minutes/2025/02/05/february-5-2025.html)
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- [September 5, 2024 - Thirty-Third SC Advisory Board Meeting](/minutes/2024/09/05/september-5-2024.html)
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- [April 25, 2024 - Thirty-Second SC Advisory Board Meeting](/minutes/2024/04/25/april-25-2024.html)
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- [February 7, 2024 - Thirty-First SC Advisory Board Meeting](/minutes/2024/02/07/february-7-2024.html)
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- [October 17, 2023 - Thirtieth SC Advisory Board Meeting](/minutes/2023/10/17/october-17-2023.html)

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