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Going over installation instructions, it's clear that the currently only documented way to install is via While a great script, support for debian/ubuntu derivatives is mixed (depending on how the derivative operates). Has anyone tried installing by hooking into the standard installers, or in some way skipping the "create a filesystem" step and just choosing one (if the installer detects it?) It's also unclear how using debootstrap differs from the standard installation method, it might be good to document this fact / the differences if someone has throughly investigated (I guess that's what I'm doing this week if no one knows off-hand). |
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Running a Linux system on a ZFS root still requires a moderate level of skill in Unix system administration. Canonical learned this the hard way, destroying plenty of user data and eventually walking back their overwrought snapshot manager and click-to-install approach. The skills necessary to properly manage a Linux system on ZFS are a superset of the skills necessary to bootstrap a Linux distribution manually from its installation medium. Our guides reflect this. We document very basic installations that are intended mostly to highlight filesystem layouts that will work with ZFSBootMenu and ensure a bootable environment that affords the user an opportunity to customize the system. While we will always consider submissions that refine the guides for correctness or clarity, we are not particularly interested in providing additional details that make the setup more accessible to less experienced users. ZFS offers a lot of footguns, and we are not shooting instructors. |
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Andrew, this line is genius and I am stealing it. Thank you for everything you (and the whole team) do! |
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Trying to hook in to a step of the Ubuntu/Debian/Whatever installers can be fragile. Trying to enumerate each and every difference between the guide and the distributions' full installer will be an endless task, and always potentially out of date. We'd accept documentation changes that provide links to official distribution post-install guides. |
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Fair enough, I was mostly just wondering how different the debootstrap install actually is, primarily so I can reinstall the packages and configuration I need and would normally expect to be there after initial install. If someone in the community knew, it would have just saved me some effort comparing chroots. |
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Running a Linux system on a ZFS root still requires a moderate level of skill in Unix system administration. Canonical learned this the hard way, destroying plenty of user data and eventually walking back their overwrought snapshot manager and click-to-install approach. The skills necessary to properly manage a Linux system on ZFS are a superset of the skills necessary to bootstrap a Linux distribution manually from its installation medium.
Our guides reflect this. We document very basic installations that are intended mostly to highlight filesystem layouts that will work with ZFSBootMenu and ensure a bootable environment that affords the user an opportunity to customize the system.
While…